Pocahontas
Written by TheDudette Tuesday, 16 September 2008 00:00
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03.23.2010 - 04:45 | idolred588yeah. americans are borderline retarted. we took the only people here with intelagence (the native americans)and killed them near to extinction. enslaved africans, and sent the japaneese to camps in WW 2.
OH SAY CAN YOU SEE BY THE DAWNS EARLY LIGHTS
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However...the Natives were just as superstitious as the Jamestown settlers, if not more so. Also note that relations were much better in Plymouth between Settlers and Natives. (There, the quest was for religious freedom, not for gold.)
Relations were pretty on-and-off for most of early American history. It wasn't until Andrew Jackson got elected that the whole racism and "kill 'em to extinction" thing kicked in, and that was largely because of the Manifest Destiny doctrine.
They weren't killed off for anything other than Congress' propaganda. Go figure.
It should also be noted that whenever someone did make progress in improving relations (usually prairie missionaries,) there was always at least one native who decided to be a total d-bag and convince everyone to start fighting again, with bigoted cowboys and their shotguns at the ready. So both sides are guilty in that conflict.
As for Africans: the Muslims did it first. Arab enslavement of Africans was routine in the world LONG BEFORE it made its way to Europe, or to America by extension. And while slavery was abhorrent, it was by no means Simon Legree vs. Uncle Tom for every single one of them.
The camps for Japanese are probably the least justifiable atrocity. On the other hand, Congress afterward proved WAY TOO COMFORTABLE with Soviet spies running amok in Washington. And even when the espionage activities of some of them were being exposed WIDE OPEN by FORMER SOVIETS, Congress turned a blind eye and a deaf ear. Overcompensation, much?
One final note: the Japanese didn't simply put our own in internment camps. They instead sent them on death marches.
A little review goes a long way. Or, as I've one theorist say: "America's survival depends not on it being righteous, for it isn't. It depends on it always being just slightly less corrupt than everyone else."
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05.07.2010 - 14:25 | savonarolaThis is one of the dumbest comments I have ever read.
[quote]However...the Natives were just as superstitious as the Jamestown settlers, if not more so.[/quote]
I see we're off to a great start here.
[quote]Also note that relations were much better in Plymouth between Settlers and Natives. (There, the quest was for religious freedom, not for gold.)[/quote]
Ahaha, so not only do you apparently not know about King Philip's War, you also repeat that stupid old canard about the Pilgrims looking for religious freedom (as opposed to the reality, which has insane religious zealots seeking to create their creepy authoritarian society in a place where they won't have other people interjecting with things like common sense and reasonable disapproval).
[quote]Relations were pretty on-and-off for most of early American history. It wasn't until Andrew Jackson got elected that the whole racism and "kill 'em to extinction" thing kicked in, and that was largely because of the Manifest Destiny doctrine.[/quote]
And this explains why there are virtually no Indians in New England today, of course. Because relations were pretty 'on-and-off,' rather than being troubled and genocidal from the start. There's no way that could be true!
[quote]They weren't killed off for anything other than Congress' propaganda. Go figure.[/quote]
No, they were killed off because white people hated them and wanted their stuff. The Cherokee were expelled because gold was found on their land, despite the fact that they had a written language, were Christians, owned slaves, had a written language and a Constitution modeled on our own, and in all ways were what white people might have considered "civilized".
[quote]It should also be noted that whenever someone did make progress in improving relations (usually prairie missionaries,)[/quote]
lmao! Ahahaha, you think the "prairie missionaries" were worth anything at all. That's precious. Here's a hint, dude: these ever-so-benevolent missionaries looked down on Indians as savages who needed harsh discipline in order to become civilized. Indian kids in mission schools were taken away from their parents and forced to live in appalling conditions where many of them died of disease or neglect. Which leads us to...
[quote]there was always at least one native who decided to be a total d-bag and convince everyone to start fighting again, with bigoted cowboys and their shotguns at the ready. So both sides are guilty in that conflict.[/quote]
No, actually, I'm pretty sure the only guilty side is the one that sent settlers and invading armies into other peoples' lands, and the "d-bags" who fought back were making a legitimate resistance. But sure, let's pretend that the only good Indians are the ones who rolled over and let their lands get confiscated and their tradit...
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11.15.2010 - 04:01 | twilightguardian
Hm... yes, because everyone knows that 3-10 year olds want an accurate interpretation of history in their cartoon movies!
Of course you should start a historic debate over the past atrocities that for some unknown reason everyone is still butthurt about. But instead of forgiving and learning from the past people seem to have the whole Original Sin mentality going on: Your ancestors did it therefor I should hate your race/you are just as bad!
And as a child I thought racism was extinct. Hahaha. I was so naive. Then again, "true" equalization is still rather new or hasn't actually happened yet depending on your interpretation of equality. But a children's cartoon... *headdesk*
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04.21.2011 - 16:31 | matoaka23here here
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03.26.2011 - 10:29 | Lucia32"Ahaha, so not only do you apparently not know about King Philip's War,"
Which was a territorial struggle which started due to trade violations committed by both sides and made worse by the fact that both sides accused each other of subterfuge. So both were in the wrong and both fought not for ideology or politics but for resources and land.
Read "The Name of War: King Philip's War and the Origins of American Identity" and "Igniting King Philip's War: The John Sassamon Murder Trial" and enlighten yourself.
"..you also repeat that stupid old canard about the Pilgrims looking for religious freedom (as opposed to the reality, which has insane religious zealots seeking to create their creepy authoritarian society in a place where they won't have other people interjecting with things like common sense and reasonable disapproval)."
Bullshit on toast.
The Pilgrims were driven from England due to brutal sanctions against those who did not obey (and pay taxes to) the Church of England (a crime which was seen as being equivalent to defying the crown). For years, both Puritans and Catholics were fined, imprisoned, and even executed for not submitting to the CoE.
Countless members of the numbers spoke out and tried to reason with the government, explaining that while they disagreed with the CoE they were loyal to the Monarchy. Their reward: to be arrested and tried as criminals.
So no. It had nothing to do with them being "religious zealots" who couldn't stand "common sense". They were an oppressed people being forced to submit to a dominant ideology for the purpose of political control.
So there too, you are horribly wrong.
Read "Pilgrim Life: Two Myths — Ancient and Modern" .
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03.26.2011 - 10:40 | Lucia32"And this explains why there are virtually no Indians in New England today, of course. Because relations were pretty 'on-and-off,' rather than being troubled and genocidal from the start. There's no way that could be true!"
Your grasp of history is pathetic. Relations between colonist and native fluctuated from war to peace for years and in fact, relations at first, while strained and suspicious were fairly peaceful.
I suggest you pick up "Spade and Sword: A history of Colonial Relations".
"lmao! Ahahaha, you think the "prairie missionaries" were worth anything at all. That's precious. Here's a hint, dude: these ever-so-benevolent missionaries looked down on Indians as savages who needed harsh discipline in order to become civilized. Indian kids in mission schools were taken away from their parents and forced to live in appalling conditions where many of them died of disease or neglect."
1. Laws of Burgos? Domingo de Mendoza? Antonio de Montesinos? Bartolome de las Casa? Any of this ringing a bell? It should. Because they were all the related to Missionaries opposing the businesses and government authorities who profited from the enslavement and brutalization of indigenous peoples. The missionaries saw the indigenous people as equal in human dignity and worth as any other man and opposed their exploitation. While there were those missionaries who disagreed with those standing up for the natives, they were few in number (as shown in the Espinal v Montesino case). Thus your caricature is based on nothing more than a gross generalization and your own personal prejudices, not history.
Read "To Protect my Brothers: The Church in the New World"
2. The mission schools were created, maintained and placement into them was forced by the Federal Government. Those same schools were opposed by numerous religious authorities including the Quakers, the Mormons, and numerous churches.
Read "A History of Native American Advocacy"
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03.26.2011 - 11:54 | Lucia32"No, actually, I'm pretty sure the only guilty side is the one that sent settlers and invading armies into other peoples' lands, and the "d-bags" who fought back were making a legitimate resistance. But sure, let's pretend that the only good Indians are the ones who rolled over and let their lands get confiscated and their tradit..."
"No, they were killed off because white people hated them and wanted their stuff. "
That is an extremely simplistic look at history. The fact is, both sides did terrible, terrible things both sides driven to take and consume.
Personally, I always side with the Native Americans on this one (it is their land, after all). But to ignore the crimes of either side (including the rape, enslavement, and murder of colonists by natives) is wrong and is historically incorrect.
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12.23.2011 - 05:16 | Torki"The camps for Japanese are probably the least justifiable atrocity"
Really? Enslaving an entire race and then some is more justifiable the putting Japs in concentration camps because they bombed us and we felt threatened? And no, I'm not saying it wasn't wrong and despicable, but if you ask me they had more grounds to do that then enslave someone because of their colour. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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05.29.2010 - 02:53 | ScreamingMantis
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08.20.2010 - 22:41 | Mad Movie Gamer
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09.30.2008 - 11:19 | PayPalMe$$$
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I was surprised nobody had rated your video yet only commented, so I took the liberty of rating it first for you.
Anyway, there are two points I would like to get out of the way before I go into this.
Point 1: OMG!!! Look at the cute puppies!!! ;D
Point 2: I didn't quite remember this movie much since it was the only Disney movie I have not re-watched.
Now that is out of the way, I have not much else to say but that I love your work and at one point you sounded like the Nostalgia Critic which made me have a weird but good "Whoa" experience. I also like the fact you have the balls (no pun intended) to act like a guy at times to convey what the guy characters may be really thinking.
I have nothing to say about the movie itself other then it was a waste of my viewing pleasure...WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED TO YOU DISNEY???
And it was too historical for my taste, despite the mistakes they made of that as well. *rolls eyes*
In any case, keep up the good work Nostalgia Chick and...PUPPIES!! ;D
SimonW.
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10.01.2008 - 05:14 | Sloth
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10.02.2008 - 02:41 | Bart Wux"Also Pocahontas was 12." Delivered dry as a bone. That line cracks me up everytime I hear it.
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10.02.2008 - 02:56 | Earthbound_XDoes blip load at a snail's pace to anyone else?
I hate blip.
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10.02.2008 - 03:22 | Michaud
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10.03.2008 - 02:07 | Jake
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10.03.2008 - 02:14 | Michaud
[quote]Dude, wtf? He was just voicing an opinion (one that I also share.) A ban just for that? Not cool. [/quote] Another non-reader here I see. I posted about baseless comments NUMEROUS times. If someone has issues with Blip... post it in the forums or PM me. If for some reason you have to post it in the comments provide information that CAN HELP ME help you. The comments were being filled with 'OMG U SUCKX' posts directed at video producers along with 'OMG BLIP IS TEH LAG' type posts, and I'm sick of seeing them. I have posted the warning not only via comments but also via a site update that is still on the freaking front page. So yeah it's warranted. Also have you ever read the TOS that you have to check every time you post a comment?
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I don't believe the guy made any idiotic remedial comments like "blip suckx" so why did u ban him...he was ASKING if it was slow for anyone else...so if u want to keep viewers u need to lighten up...and if u want to ban me too, I've only watched one video, and if u keep me from watching anymore, than I just won't watch here...don't lose viewers just cause u wanna throw some authori-TIE around!
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10.03.2008 - 04:09 | Jake
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10.03.2008 - 05:15 | ThatDudeInTheSuede
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[i]Like most of the world, you're an American?[/i]
One of my favorite jokes in the video. Never seen [i]Pocahontas[/i] or [i]Teen Witch[/i], but thanks to Nostalgia Chick they've each provided more enjoyment than most movies I actually go to the trouble of sitting through. Looking forward to further reviews.
Puppies!
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10.03.2008 - 06:34 | TheDudette
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[quote=TheDudette][quote] Like most of the world, you're an American?
300 millions over 7 billion humans is most of the world? [/quote]
You make me sad. I'd expect this from the denizens of youtube (and they give it to me, constantly), but this? This...
Watch Team America, dude.[/quote]
Seriously? She was just trying to be funny. I cannot believe someone actually took that *seriously*.
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05.25.2009 - 19:56 | Gamer_Ely
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10.03.2008 - 11:58 | RazeGood video, it was funny and at at least those clips weren't as painful as the clips from Teen Witch. I'll never know how you endured that long enough to make a video about it.
Anyway, good to see that you've settled in so quickly. Look forward to seeing more.
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10.03.2008 - 12:20 | DelRiegoYou are awesome! I love you. I want more of your videos! :)
Actually most of the world is Chinese
:P
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10.03.2008 - 13:02 | Baalcebub[i]Dude, no...[/i]
What... It's a comment, the comment box is here, so I can comment.
[i]No, seriously dude, don't, I'm tellin ya...[/i]
What's the matter now?
[i]You know what's going to happen...[/i]
What?
[i]What always happens when you talk to women...[/i]
It's not... It's a comment, over the internet, I'm not actually talking to anybody. Besides, I'm just going to compliment her work.
[i]Dude... seriously, you know I'm right, It's gonna happen...[/i]
What's gonna happen?
[i]You're going to sound creepy, you know that's what always happens...[/i]
Not always!
[i]Yes, always, and you know it...[/i]
Just because I want to say she is doing a great job, that I think she is very funny, witty and smart... and also that I think she is very lovely and that...
[i]Here he goes...[/i]
... I think I might be in love..?
[i]See?[/i]
... Ok, yes, kinda creepy.
[i]Not to mention you are typing a conversation with yourself...[/i]
Alright, very creepy... I'm sorry.
[i]I told ya...[/i]
She is lovely thou... and smart, and funny and...
[i]Just shut up...[/i]
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10.03.2008 - 14:34 | cleoambrosia
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10.04.2008 - 08:37 | Socialiste
[quote]Like most of the world, you're an American?
300 millions over 7 billion humans is most of the world?
You make me sad. I'd expect this from the denizens of youtube (and they give it to me, constantly), but this? This...
Watch Team America, dude. [/quote]
In fact, there is a part that was strangely deleted from my comment saying:
hahaha good joke
After all that. I had the same reaction when I saw my comment cut in half making me look frustrated. In fact, that's probably my favorite joke of your video, except for PUPPIES.
Also, I already saw Team America, Dudette
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Great video!
When the quest for a nostalgic chick started I was septic about it.
but now I've seen this video I truly believe it will be awesome.
I give 4* ranking for 3 reasons:
1º- to support!
2º- can't give 5* has a challenge for you to make even funnier videos
3º- the "american-ego" joke...although of its irony. I'm european (portuguese) and although europeans don't mine americans to think there better, I think the non-americans(and there r a lot of non-americans that visit this site) dont enjoy that type of jokes.
but beside that, I really liked the video and I'll be at the "Nostalgic chick fan list" ;)
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09.06.2011 - 01:32 | Lucia32I didn't even notice that!
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I can't believe I didn't watch this movie when it first came out (but I just hated Pocahontas that much). It's actually one of the funniest things I ever had the pleasure to watch! You got the movie by it's balls and you sure pressed them hard. Ooh, it SO did deserve a proper bashing. I actually hated it much more then Anastasia for it's romantisized narration of one BIG crime...
Thanks again - and please never stop ;)
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Awsome and funny video. I'm really starting to like your reviews. I'm looking forward to them equally as much as I do for the Nostalgia Critic. Oh, and PUPPIES!! ^^
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I've seen parts of this movie here and there, but my wife really likes it. She even has a Pocahontas blanket.
I found the part about her magically learning english amusing. Tarzan had a tougher time. It's like the leaves were the Native American version of translator microbes from a sci-fi movie.
And the fact that he had to be taken across the ocean for a gunshot wound is great...but he is Captain Amazing.
Oh, and an interesting side not. The Chief probably had a lot of wives and sent them packing after their first kid. So see, she didn't die...
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10.09.2008 - 17:28 | cookiemonster
My theory is her father was playing the "got your nose" game and forgot to give it back.
I found this movie very boring, even with the inclusion of Mel freakin' Gibson. True, at that age I was starting to develop a preference for random explosions and nudity, but I'm sure even by female standards Pocahontas was trash.
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10.12.2008 - 09:58 | GodOfPlagueWhat no epic climax jok??? Anyway first non guy with glasses vid I've checked out.
I like it alot. Though you cannot buy me off with puppies... Rabbits maybe...
Anyway nice review looking forwardto your work
The sequel was on I think when I was flipping channels. That movie made less sense. At least it didn't have florescent leaves.
Anyway, good review. Really liked it when I saw it on the top five and I still like seeing it. You did good work! Keep it up.