interesting review NC

loved it though

I enjoyed the things you analyzed

and you caught the littlest things

great video as always



Hi Tim

Oh come on, from what Doug said Story sucked in Dark Knight because it was too
well writen, thats not an argument! The Fact that EVERYTHING in TDK is explained
is actually a good thing cuz there is no place to doubt about How the Fuck Bruce
digged a Batcave exactly beneth his Mansion, or where he's getting that all
Bat-Gear...in The Dark Knight everything has sense and none of it seems forced.



And btw...I'm just fucking tired of hearing what Bale's voice as Batman sounded
weird - its everyone .... for Christ sake for the first time in a Superhero
movie someone thought that if main hero dresses in tights and starts fighting
crime..someone might actually recognize his voice..so he changes it...

And Bale voice actually sounded threatning, even Scary ...so i dont understand
why so many people hate it so much ?



it sounded Badass...or should i said Batass and for me it was smart move from
the Nolan cuz if you are multimilionare playboy and one of the most known people
in Gotham city...you dress like a Bat, and eventually someone will recognize
your voice and in TDK that problem was solved,

where in other movies main hero can talk with his mom thru cellphone and if he's
wearing a mask...she will never know that he's her son



and Im not 100% sure...but in one of Batman comic books (year one i think) it
was explained that Bruce Wayne lowers his voice while he's Batman so no one can
recognize it ....so The Dark Knight is not only better written, it remembers his
comic-roots and because of that Nolan's Batman movies are the superior ones.

Nobody is saying that TDK sucks.. they are BOTH excellent films, and the
original Batman is a bit better. Keaton being a better batman than Bale is a
fact, not an opinion. The suit looks so much better on him in the 2 movies he
starred in. And, FYI, Keaton DOES change his voice, but he doesn't overdo it as
Bale did. It's so exaggerated. And again, I love BOTH films a lot. Batman is my
favorite superhero. But analyzing every aspect of them, the original comes out
winner. Ledger is without a doubt the best joker, and quite possibly the best
performance I've ever seen, but he is not the whole movie, which at the at
indeed gets kind of tiring.

No, It's not

no its not dumbass,its his opinion.

Technically, saying Keaton is a better batman than Bale is an opinion, because
you can't prove it right or wrong with any fact. That's why the Nostalgic Critic
said that what he was saying was just opinion.

Yeah,um you both need to lighten up! Its just comical satire,you know,for
entertainment purposes? GEEZ!

I would call that an "over-reaction", ladies and gentlemen. When
something in a story is over analyzed to the point of it just being tiring, it's
not good writing. If I held up a rock, you'd know it was a rock without me
having to explain that it was a rock. But if i said "This is a rock. It's
gray. I found it outside. I was going to get my mail. I wanted a rock. I found
this rock. So i kept it." You would probably tell me to shut the hell up. I
also am not saying that dark knight was a bad movie. far far from it. I saw it
three times in theatres and more when it came out in DVD. But I wasn't one of
the people to go ape-shit over it and batman begins and call them the best
movies ever made. Yes....Bale's voice was extremely over the top. To deny this
is mind-boggling. If you closed your eyes and just heard keaton talk in his
batman voice. You wouldn't know it was him. It's easy for viewers to SAY that
they would know its him...BECAUSE THEY DO KNOW ITS HIM, ALREADY. His voice is
still lowered, so it too stays true to the batman comics, as you say dark knight
did.

/endrant

I know I've read it somewhere in the Batman comics that he does change his voice
to something more gravely.

Kevin Conroy definitely did the voice change in the animated series, at least in
the seasons before the redesigns.
Off topic of the movies, but I thought it was cool how Conroy did the Bruce
voice when Bruce Wayne was dealing with characters who didn't know he was
Batman, but when he was talking with Alfred or anyone else who knew the secret,
he always used the Batman voice, suggesting that Batman is actually the real
person, and Bruce is the disguise. Always thought that was a brilliant choice
and it subtly added more depth to the character.

So true! Conroy lightened up Bruce Wayne's voice while keeping Batman's tone
serious but controlled.

u have no idea what ur talking about dude..For one Bales voice Is RIDICULOUS and
its soo bad that it almost takes away from the fucking scenes of the movie.
another thing is that its OVERWRITTEN horribly so many scenes in the dark knight
are not necasary and are drawn out..Batman has such a sureal atmosphere i cant
even describe it..and dude BATASS seriously thats so cool..ur creative im really
impressed... GROW BALLS GROW A GOOD TASTE IN MOVIES dont be a fucking
sterotypical dumbass modern movie viewer.The Dark knight is kick ass but the
amount of praise and attention it gets is so ridiculous and outrageous that it
makes me sick..

expanding on what MaroBot said... In the Batman comic miniseries, "No Man's
Land", Robin makes a comment about Bruce's 'gravelly' Batman voice...

Too well written? No, he said too wordy.



I completely agree. Batman has a great atmosphere, and that is what Batman is
all about. It makes you understand without explaining everything.



And no, having "no doubt" is foolish. Leave the comprehension to the
viewer. The intelligent one will get it without perhaps even being able to
articulate it to words completely. It just makes you feel what the characters
are feeling and reminds you of life.



Dark Knight dragged a little, but it held you in the whole time. It's awesome,
but not classic.

I would've thought that doug would shoot his gun and the little sign that says
"bang!" would come out

Mmmm...I might have to agree with you on the original's classic feel, but I have
to say if this was indeed on points, Ledger's Joker might be worth 2 instead of
1.

Ledger's Joker against anything else would be worth 2 points, but not against
Nicholson's Joker. It really does measure up. He is absolutely hilarious, and
also quite creepy. Ledger deserved the win, I guess... but he only deserved 1
point.

Brilliant once again. This must have been a tough decision, but you've put a lot
of effort into it, and I agree with pretty much all your opinions. The ending
was hysterical, if a bit predictable. The idea for "Old Vs. New" as a
recurring concept to the show is a good one, especially if you decided to rush a
Terminator 1984 and Terminator 2009 comparison. (Please?)

Great Video

Yea,I do agree with you.They were both awesome,Original Batman is awesome wether
you agree or not.Heath Ledger is fucking nuts.

Oh thank God, someone who doesn't think the Dark Knight is the second coming of
Christ. Thank you Nostalgia Critic.

Amazing ending by the way. Christian Bale flipping out is always amusing to
listen to.

Very good, sire

awesome as usual ^_^

Christian Bale is evil

No battle between the cars? Why?

Madkap: There is a good reason he didn't choose a battle between the cars.. That
reason happens to be the fact that they are not important parts to the movie.
All the points he used were important to a good movie.

TGWTG: Great video, as usual. I actually agree with you on the old one being
slightly better. I know I liked both, just the first = better. Are you going to
make more old vs. new stuff?

because it would just give the 89' film more points. the tumbler is just
overdoing it, but keatons car is classic and styllish.

Was that convo in the end really bale that time he got pissed at this dude in
his set?

It was on the set of Terminator: Salvation. The guy he was mad at was the
Director of Photography.

Yup

Go make Reign of Fire 2!

No!

I think I'm really gonna love this new segment of yours NC. I loved everything
about this video; I can't think of anything wrong with it, and that last bit
with Christian Bale was the perfect set up.

Rock On NC.

I completely agree with you about the Heath Ledger Joker, even when he yelled
LOOK AT ME in that scene where he does god knows what to that innocent civilian
I felt like I was going to shit my pants.

I loved the ending of the review
(Wow...Bale was pissed.)

GO MAKE RING OF FIRE 2

I liked the old Batman over the new... It seemed to me nothing got exciting in
the Dark Knight 'til about the last 30-45 minutes. Plus I have been a big
Michael Keaton fan forever... Great to see a new review, loved it.

Awesome debate!



To be honest, I don't know which was the better film. Batman is full of action
and spectacle while The Dark Knight is more subtle and plot driven.



I have to disagree with the NC about one thing though that Bale had me sold as
Batman with TDK while Keaton was a great Batman while he lasted.



I am still indifferent about the Joker though as both Nicholson and Ledger
brought their own unique visions to the character. Both are damn near perfect as
the clown prince of crime.



I can't stand Vicki Vale's screaming so I am going with Rachel Dawes as the love
interest of Bruce Wayne. Michael Caine is a better Alfred than Michael Gough.
Aaron Eckhart is the best Two-Face/Harvey Dent of all-time.



Make more segements of Old vs. New! I love that concept :-)

Well.. I never thought Bale vs Keaton would be such a debate.. for me it's
always been a "no contest".. keaton is definitely the best of all.. bale
comes in second.. the thing that really bothers me, besides the stupid voice he
makes(which actually doesn't bother me, but it doesn't go by unnoticed), is that
nobody could ever fit the bat suit as well as keaton.. not kilmer, not clooney,
not even bale, who looks even kind of goofy.. but I guess that's the costume
desiger's fault idk.. other than that, bale was an awesome bruce wayne.. I just
like to see a cool looking batman, an only keaton pulled it off.. and about the
girl.. I don't like any of them, my favorite was selena kyle from batman
returns.. there's nothing so great about vicky vale, and neither about rachel
dawes.. and i hated maggie gyllenhaal.. about the alfreds, that's the biggest
debate for me.. michael caine is a much better actor obviously, but he isn't
really alfred.. he is too much for alfred.. is like overdone(by the writers, not
caine).. I liked the one from before better

sorry.. forgot about the joker.. erm.. well they are very different.. each has
their own style.. I'd like to say I like them both the same, but that's not
entirely true.. Ledger's performance is a once in a lifetime experience.. the
best of the best.. off the charts.. I'll go with the new joker in this one.. i
like it that he is really scary.. like, shit-your-pants scary..

Gotta disagree with ya, NC. The Dark Knight is definitely the better of the two
in my opinion.

That's not to say I disliked Batman because I didn't, that movie like most of
Tim Burton's others, kicked ass. I just think TDK improved where Batman fell
through. Plus, Batman was somewhat....boring in some places.

I'm not a Ledger fanboy, and I don't go with the crowd, but it's my own opinion
that TDK is the better of the two. I still respect your opinion though, and I
see what made you come to those conclusions.

I liked Bale's voice. People always wonder why Super Heroes talk in their normal
voice around people who might recognize them.. The first movie that goes and
does the opposite gets criticized.

I don't think I've ever seen a movie as epic as the Dark Knight. And to me, all
the "commentary" just made it more engrossing. Although, the non-stop
action did make me feel at certain points that i was about to have a heart
attack.. I guess that isn't good, but, meh, it was awesome.

The Dark Knight is NOT the first movie where the hero speaks in a different
voice. Bale's voice was absolutely ridiculous. Not intimidating, just funny.

lol batman sounds like he has lung cancer

Beauty

This was a very inspiring video. I do agree with you on Batman being the better
movie, even though I still love The Dark Knight. For me, Batman is my all-time
favorite movie, along with Tim Burton being my favorite director.

Surprisingly, I actually owned a Bob action figure just like that one. Along
with a dozen other Batman and Joker toys.

lol batman sounds like he has lung cancer

I agree. Batman is a better movie than the Dark Knight in some respects and a
worse movie in others. However neither one is below excellence, and I think that
the amount of people who will agree or disagree with you depend on the size and
age range of the current Batman fanbase. Older fans would probably agree that
Batman was better, while the younger generation would say the Dark Knight was
better. Unfortunately, visuals seem to leave a greater impact with movies and
video games nowadays on the youth rather than the final product itself. Anyway,
great review as always NC.

You got some balls Doug! great review. Though I didnt care for Jack as the Joker
I feel Ledger's death had a lot of impact on people calling him amazing and no
one could play that role again. (believe me I have some dumb friends saying no
one esle can play Joker now) My personal favorite Joker Has to be Mark Hammil
from the Cartoon. Totally agree on the Keaton being the better Batman.

His death didn't effect my opinion at all. When I heard he was going to be the
joker I was like "Uh... That guy from BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN is going to be the
Joker of all people?!" I was not pleased.

Ledger put all of his energy into the character. I've heard people tell that he
spent so much time in the character that it was effecting his mental health. The
character was amazing, original, dynamic.

The only thing I think people should be effected by his death is that they
should stop dressing up like him (badly) and stop acting like him (badly). It
just defames the character.

Ooh, the Critic tries out a new episode format. I'm highly intrigued and so far,
it's a great "first episode" for such a concept.



I had a feeling original recipe "Batman" would win out because, well,
you're the Nostalgia Critic after all.



Yeah, Ledger!Joker totally had me hiding behind blankets every time he came
onscreen and the torture clip? EEEK!!



Nice use of the Bale rant.

Yeah, Doug's one of the few people to actually turn that rant into something
coherent.