I think the problem is that it kinda takes away something from non-american viewer :/

Even though I loved all three Spider-Man movies (including the third one), this is still good review. Nice job.

Ditto. I loved these movies BECAUSE of the over-the-top silliness. Even the dance scene.

I think it's because all of the other superhero movies in recent memory have gone for that serious note. It can produce good movies, sure, but as a fan of costumed antics you have to be able to admit that the concept is pretty silly, and that there's nothing wrong with reveling in Silver Age ridiculousness.

Who else is holding their breath for Thor?

I am :) cant wait for it

I am looking forward to the Thor movie, but it still bothers me that they are using a entirely different alter-ego for him instead of going back to the old comic and using the crippled doctor alter ago.

I mean, yeah I can see why they wouldn't (House anyone?) but its what the fans were used to.

Dr. Donald Blake hadn't been seen since 1980, if I recall, until the last few years. In all honesty, I usually tried to forget about Dr. Donald Blake, since it distracted from bashing ice giants!

I thought the dance scene shows how the suit causes mood swings akin to damage from drug use, there's the high, and then suddenly the crash.

dont forget captain america

dont diss captain america for however put two down points for me ):

finally, someone whoa appreciates the silver-age.

I think one of the stupidest things from the three movies is:Gwen Stacy is Eddie Brock's fiancee,WTF!?

I have to admit, when I first got into Spiderman, I was introduced during the time that Mary Jane became his love interest (post Gween Stacey death) and mostly via the animated series I was more familiar with them being together, because Gwen Stacey was not in the Spiderman Animated Series back in the ninties.



But ever since I found out what a big role Gwen played not only in the Spiderman universe but the comics as well. It made me very interested in learning more about her, so yeah I am with NC having her in Spiderman 3 as a minor character really sucked not just for me but for everyone else who is just starting to learn about the relationship between her and Peter Parker and the whole death scene on the bridge.

The thing that pissed me off more than anything was the entire Black suit and Venom. It is just in the movie one of my favourite spiderman villains and a great emotional/physical struggle seemed to be brushed aside and even the look of Venom was off. I think the Distressed Watcher put it best when he said(not perfect quote), "Ya you decide to keep Sandmans look intact but not Venoms."

It's widely reported that Sam Raimi is not a fan of the Venom character, his focus on this movie (and the others in the franchise) was the classic Spiderman villain, in this case Sandman.
Venom was essentially forced on him by the movie studio due to the HUGE popularity of the character. I think Venom was treated so poorly because Raimi isn't a fan, because he doesn't really understand or care about the character and finally because he wasn't happy with the studio pushing him into including the character.

The studio wanted Raimi to direct, they really should have followed his vision for the movie. Remove all the symbiote stuff and a lot of what is wrong with Spiderman 3 flies out the window. If the studio so desperately wanted Venom, then they should have hired another director rather than force a guy to shoehorn in another villain that he doesn't give a shit about. I think the Critic could have mentioned this situation during the video...but that's a small quibble.

Yeah, that was the problem most people had with the third movie, that Venom wasn't good enough. I haven't had a chance to read many of the comics yet, save for Ultimate Spiderman, so I'm not really judging on that one.

On a side note, don't feel alone, Critic! I like Spiderman 3 too! Granted, Venom could've been more badass, but I still liked it!

Most of the stuff about Raimi's feelings about Venom and Spiderman 3 has not been verified to my knowledge. On a personal note, I was not interested in the Sandman at all, for in the comics he was powerful but basically just a thug.

The villains I was HOPING for was either the Lizard (considering that the character was ALREADY there and would be easy to build on) or of course venom himself. Focus on just ONE character would have helped, even if it was just Sandman.

Another thing to consider is that according to the same rumors you just mentioned, Raimi was never a fan of Spiderman anyway. He treated the films as best he could, but it was just a job...and like SO many other directors he wanted to make the story HIS and not be 'bound' by someone else's vision...like Stan Lee or the writers that came after him.

On a final note, the rumor-mill also states that the un-made Spiderman 4 main villain was going to be a female version of the Vulture, called the Vultress. And yup, that was Raimi's idea.

What does it take away from non American viewers, exactly? I mean, I understand it does reek of that sort of faux patriotism that was rampant after 9/11 movies but how does an American flag ruin or take anything away from a non American viewer?

I mean, I guess if the viewer hates America, but then why watch American movies at all? All I am saying is when I see a British flag in a James Bond movie I as an American don't get all bent out of shape.

Anyone put off by the mere sight of another country's flag - particularly if said country made said movie - needs a slap in the face. As a Brit (Scottish) I am never offended by something so trivial.
I may roll my eyes at over the top patriotism, but I would never condemn it.

I as an american, do condemn it. I don't see over the top patriotism as anything but overcompensation for people who are afraid of seeming like they're not "American Enough" or else, they are dumb-asses who think "America can do no wrong; Fuck Yeah!!" which is probably the worst type of political ideology, even more than totalitarianism, since it's a form of willing subsurveance to their nation.

But back to the topic at hand: I didn't dislike the third spider-man movie. It just left me really empty inside, like it was a shell of a movie. It had too many pointless parts, and lacked any of the things that would give it substance. I didn't feel bad after watching it, but I just didn't feel like it was 'whole.'

"I don't see over the top patriotism as anything but overcompensation for people who are afraid of seeming like they're not "American Enough" or else, they are dumb-asses who think "America can do no wrong; Fuck Yeah!!" which is probably the worst type of political ideology, even more than totalitarianism, since it's a form of willing subsurveance to their nation."

Sounds like someone has a victim complex.

Its just a flag in a movie, people. Quit being so melodramatic.

I personally was just a bit confused by it, just didn't do anythign for me(canadian), i think the problem might be that it kinda reminds non-american viewers that "spider-man is american, saving americans" Makes him a bit harder to connect maybe. Just guessing though :/

I guess because sometimes it makes the scenes cheesy. One of the clips NC showed, the one from the third movie, the flag is just so forced into that scene, to the point where it just looks kind of silly. XD Even I commented when I was watching the movie and that scene came up.

I have nothing against the flag scene in The Spider-Man. It's a pointless showing Spiderman doing anything special, but it was not bad. And if you have a flag pole you might also have a flag there. And in the USA that'd the be the flag of USA.
But in Spider-Man 3 the flag is completely unnecessary and it doesn't fit the setting at all. It looks like someone photoshopped a flag to the background. So in that case I am thinking it was a really bad choise.

LOVED THIS VIDEO! Hilarious! Although, I have to say, while I agree on the bad acting from the extras in Spider-Man 2, I'm not so sure even the main cast did that okay.. There were several moments where I got kinda sucked out of the story because of some weird acting or whatever.

Looking forward to the reboot, I'm a huge Spider-Man fan!

Here's a clip about the reboot that I find really funny.
http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=oUT_h950obU

By the way, I hear venom was rushed in when they were making the third film beause fans demanded him or something.. I think the choice of actor was pretty bad.

Hey, I just thought of something! New York has seen four supervillains so far. EVERY time a new villain appears, he kidnaps Mary-Jane and Spider-Man saves her, why doesn't the police suspect something's up with her and maybe investigate a bit to see why she is the only one ever being kidnapped?

I hate saying this NC, but I have never read a single comic book where Doctor Connors turns into the Lizard man. I've seen one where he turns into THE LIZARD, but no Lizard man. I hate being picky but....yeah you get what I'm saying.

And I've never read one where some dude has a giant inflatable lizard-head pop out of his jacket, and yet that's due to hit B'way anytime now!

Have you actually been following that? That thing is NEVER going to get out of previews.
Makes me wish Duke Nukem Forever was still scrapped so's I could compare "Turn Off The Dark" to it.

Anyways, as for Green Goblin, I think RiffTrax put it best: "Willem Dafoe: When you need a movie monster but can't afford the makeup."

great point! (do you even read the spiderman comics?)

I'm sorry for my stupid comment. please forgive me. It's a shame I can't delete the f**king thing.

Actually in one of the newer comic arcs called Shed. The Lizard fully takes over Connors human brain so the lizard can talk and has a plan besides just killing people. So he technically is a lizard man at that point.

Oh, those stupid Euros, they and their country suck and their flag is just plain silly.


/brain.

True, and a lot of other flags have red, white and blue as well.

WOOOOOOAAAAH!

Too much information Spiderman

Uh hello it's an American movie. You don't watch foreign movies and say oh I wish it was more American. Anyways great review Doug and my favorite top 11 list as of now.

yeah as a non american viewer, I just... how to say... waited the following scene every time I saw the flag. But it's just a few times in the movie, and I think american movies are for american people first, so that's ok.

i am mexican and it never botered me,i love those movies,however a lot of people i know was really pissed

I also liked Spider-Man 3, I didn't think it was a good as 2, but I still thought it was fun. My only problems with it was the “Emo Peter” moment(s), the emo dance, and the fact that they had one too many bad guys. I felt like it could have done without Sandman, and give more screen time to Venom. But for what it was, it was fun and exciting.

And I still don't know how I feel about the new Spider-Man revamp. I feel like it's way too soon after last revamp. However, I'll keep an open mind about it.

I didn't mind it, I think I like it the least out of them because Venom was my favourite villian D:

I don't mind the idea of the Spider-Man revamp at the moment because it's going to be following the "Ultimate Spiderman" series which was AWESOME! That's not to say the movie will be awesome, but it has a lot to live up to.

dont forget that gwen stacy was killed by carnage in the ultimate series

I'm a little sad because I really, really liked Spider-Man, so it's hard to see that continuity come to an end so soon. Admittedly, the sequels could have done a better job of building from it, but it was just such a great start for Spider-Man in the movies! I enjoyed the mixture of goofiness and seriousness, and for me that includes the CGi as well. That said, I look forward to seeing a Spider-Man series that will perhaps build over time a lot better, and of course, I can always re-watch the classic Spider-Man. ;D

Emo dance, that is all.

Sam Raimi's been quoted as saying that he hated Venom and that Sandman was his favorite villian, so when the studios pushed for Venom...he decided to make them regret it. And it shows.

At least that's always been my theory, especially with the whole "Sandman's a tragic villian doing it for his family and not just because he likes to rob people" thing.

As for the first moment I knew Spider-Man 3 was going to be bad?

Kirsten Dunst singing in the first 5 minutes. And the last five minutes. Or maybe it was someone dubbing her voice over, I don't know. All I do know is that it was a horrible attempt at singing and it was only the tip of the iceberg.

I think everyone can agree that there was far too little Venom in the movie though. Hell, he didn't even have his trademark "we" whenever he spoke about himself. He kept saying "I"! That would have helped the split personality/symbiote control aspect of him.

Last but not least. Doc Connors. What the effing crap? I totally would have wanted him to be the Lizard by part 3, or part 4 if they had gone that far! What a disappointment.

I did NOT notice the "we" thing!
But then again, they hardly pointed out the turmoil both Peter and Brock were SUPPOSED to be going through during the movie, but then again, I don't think Venom was MEANT to be in the movie, so I doubt they really did their research about Venom.

From what I heard, before the fourth movie was scrapped, there were plans to put the Lizard in as well as make the main villain the Shocker.

It was worse than just not saying "we". We barely get a hint that the symbiote could think at all. Doc says it amplifies aggression, but mentioned nothing about it thinking. Peter never at all calls himself "we", either, or even seems to think very highly of the suit. We never see the suite FORCE him to do anything; it just makes him aggressive and dickish. And when Eddy confronts Peter and knows he's Spidey, it wasn't even because the symbiote told him. He SAW Peter in his black Spidey suit; the symbiote gave him no new information. Hell, it didn't even push him over the edge or anything. We see him praying to god to kill Peter. The guy was borderline homicidal BEFORE that thing bonded to him. It probably barely had to manipulate him at all.

In this movie, the symbiote was little more than an organic plot device that tweaked your agression.

There's such thing as an emo dance? !_!

A big-lipped aligator moment!

Spelling it "Spiderman" when it's "Spider-Man."

To paraphrase Chandler Bing: "He's a Spider MAN. He's not, like, Joe Spiderman."

Nice job on the "Friends" refference, dude. ;)

The hyphen should be stricken from the English language

Ah, but to quote Jon Stewart "...its Spidermann. Irving Spidermann".

In fact, I’m gonna agree with you. It’s actually an excellent film! Not as good as the first film, but a bit better than the second one, which is also excellent. I think the three of them combined are probably the best superhero film ever made.

"How more amarican can you get?!"
Captain America?
Great Top 11!

I wonder which came out first, Captain America or Spider-Man?

Anyway, this is a personal theory and I just thought of this on the fly. Sure the movies did have their weird moments, but those were few and far in-between. The 3rd movie was kind of like goofyness to the nth power, and not in a good way. There were far too many more cons in the 3rd movie then the pros, whereas the first two was the opposite.

Add the whole lack of Venom thing and...yeah.

Captain America did come first. The first of the Captain america books came out back in the 40's, while Spiderman didn't come out until 1962. On the other hand, since that's classic captain instead of the modern captain america ideas, then I think Spiderman does technically come first in that regard.

dont forget CAPTAIN AMERICA MOVIE COMING SOON THIS YEAR

The Captain, of course! He came out in the 40s, whilst Spidey came out in the 60s.

And Doug, great list. The beginning was what really got me.

Yeah Captian America did come first, but he wasn't part of marvel in the 60's. He joined in when Avengers issue 4 came out. He even wasn't part of the original Avengers.

"Ya know, I do kinda miss my wife--FUCK HER!

...fffffffuck her."
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Yeah, I think the dance scene at that lounge place was fucking stupid, but the worst part?

"Dear God.. please kill Peter Parker..."

Um... really?

And yes, I was pissed off that Venom was only there for 10 minutes. Even with Topher Grace playing the character, I wanted to see more of Venom. He is the best Spidey villain ever.

Yeah, the prayer scene in spiderman 3 kinda killed all credabilty i could give it. I almost walked out at the dance scene but i told my self venom might be in it, so i waited. When i realived he was only there for 10 min, i got really pissed off.

I like turtles

Dude, I've got to give you serious credit for courage.

It's courageous to troll a comments page? Really?? What do you call saving someone from a burning building? Perspective is your friend.

Well people don't really hate for going on the first page, more like if you get first comment, then they talk about it for 10 pages

Is it just me, or is emo-peter trying to do a Christopher Walken impression (what with all the dancing in the streets and all)?

Emo is the new goth, sort of, and more about experiencing melancholic emotion characterized by "individualism in action and style" and a lack of self esteem as the normal folks would understand it. Peter expressed nothing of the sort in any scene he was in - he is far more aligned with jocks or the heteronormal alphamale archetype. He exudes self confidence (despite expressing it in a bizzarre, over the top way) and in no way is he Emo at all.

Saying black clothes equals Emo is like saying black clothes equals Amish.

Saying emo requires a set personality is like saying that a furry fetish is a lifestyle.

Believe it all you'd like, but it isn't true. Emo is a style of music, followed shortly by a style of dress. By the standards of today, Peter Parker was emo. He had the "emo" hair and wore black with it, though I think they were merciful in cutting out the make-up.

BTW, Emo is more of a prep culture than anything. Like it or not, it's sported by spoiled rich kids who have never suffered and want to seem unique and hardcore by shopping at Hot Topic instead of Abercrombie and Fitch.

.....wait, black clothes doesn't equal Amish? O_o Boy, have I been severely misinformed.

Dr Octopus Arms xD jajajjaa I was not expecting a top 11 of Spider-Man. Great!!! XD

So this week seems big with Top something lists. I like em. Not a bad move...

Spiderman is mostly a guilty pleasure for most of us. I was ok with the 3rd movie cause I did see it and I love Sandman and the stuff they did with him. I love Spiderman 2 the best cause Dr. Oct was such a good actor for the part.

The guy in the elevator scene is an actor from the show Queer as Folk...I'm guessing they were hinting at some gay tension here...wish I knew the guys name but I liked the camio.

When I first read the title, I somehow saw it as the superman countdown, and somehow thought that it was a repeat. Not that I don't appreciate the hard work he puts into getting a new NC out each week among other things.

Oh, and why did people hate Spider-Man 3? Because the Venom character (the closest thing to an epic villain Spider-Man has) was shoe horned in awkwardly, Gwen Stacy was badly used and the final battle scene was just last-moment thinking to the nth-degree. You can tell because rather than building up to the scene and why it's happening through a course of events like most movies do we instead get the Exposition News Channel to set it up for us. And let us not forget Harry's butler's "Oh, by the way, I forgot to tell you an important piece of information about your father's death that pretty much caused you to self-destruct and ruin lives and friendships. Sorry about that." SM3 isn't disliked because of its goofiness and camp value it's disliked because it was poorly written.

Agreed. I'm sorry but I did not like Spiderman 3. The first two were certainly goofy and they had problems, but those were few. However, Spiderman 3 was just too goofy and there were too many plot holes and problems that brought it down in quality considerably.

IIRC, about the butler scene...

It was originally supposed to be that the butler wasn't real, that he in Harry's head and that Harry simply wasn't accepting that his father was an evil bastard who killed himself...

Dr. Octagonapus BLAAAGH!!!

how much more obvious could you get about someone being american... captain america!

and Doug...

FUCK YOU WILLIAM DEFOE WAS FUCKING AWESOME AS THE GOBLIN AND NO ONE WILL EVER DO IT BETTER!

Dumbest doesn't always mean worst. He did say he enjoyed Willem Dafoe's performance, he just thought it was stupid and over the top.

Also just because I'm an itsjustsomerandomguy fan: "Dafoe!"

goblin bloggin fucking rules

To quote the Goblin himself: "You mess with Defoe, then you got to go!"

As far as the actual video, it just makes wish for a N. Critic vs. MovieBob debate more and more.

Granted, I still think these moves are God-awful, but with that new perceptive you provided, I'm willing to see that they are good movies if viewed only for the silliness. I still can't stand Spider-man though. The comics were AMAZING... the movies were a huge let-down :(

Isn't it a bit too soon to be reviewing this? I love Spider-Man movie bashing as much as the next guy, but this isn't quite "nostalgic" yet. However, I can't argue with these criticisms. By the way, the guy in the elevator and the bank teller weren't extras. They were cameos for TV personalities Hal Sparks and Joel McHale. Give Sparks all of the shit in the world, but DON'T TOUCH MCHALE!

Yeah, this is actually the second film in a row Doug's done that came out in 2000 or later, which I thought was his cutoff date. Meh, maybe he's bumped it up a couple of years.

This isn't a review, it's a list of dumbest moments. And you could argue the character has been around since the 60's...it'd be thin, but you could.

Yeah, very disappointed that Doug didn't recognize Joel McHale. They're cut from the same sarcastic cloth.

For the record: Joel McHale is an excellent actor and comedian, regardless of the hokiness in his cameo.

Yeah, I agree. NC and Joel Mchale both have that brand of sarcastic humor that everyone loves, and Im kinda surprised that he didnt mention him. maybe he doesnt like him.

Also, Creepy Guy In Elevator was Hal Sparks.

Both Sparks and McHale were hosts of The Soup, which the format of The Nostalgia Critic borrows heavily from: clip of subject, followed by a quip.

THE OPENING WAS JUST EPIC!

Oh, and I'm late on watching an NC list? Especailly one that I know the material he's reviewing... (cause I was in my early teens when the first movie came out...)
What's wrong with me...?

P.S. That Poooooooor putty kat. He fall down go... BOOOM!!!!
*im surprised I got the reference too*

He posted on his Facebook last week that he's gonna stop with the lists. He likes the element of surprise.

Assuming you're talking about the list of movies he'll be reviewing between now and whatever day he chooses.

Oh! Well that's good. I kinda like it that way. =D
I was actually hoping that new list would never be put up

Emo Peter was hilarious and i love those Bruce Campbell cameos in the movies!!
awesome list...
I miss the NC UPDATE 2011 list ^^

I liked the 3rd one too.

I LOVE the Spider Man movies, they are actually some of my favorite movies of the last decade. There’s a really good mix between comic style silliness and occasional suspense and seriousness, and I think it fits the character well. All of the craziness and corniness makes it better; it FEELS like a superhero saga. No offense to the Dark Knight(which is also very good for its serious side), but I do love the silliness in comic movies(outside Batman and Robin, that was way too over the top). I’m sad to see these movies go, honestly, it feels too quick for a reboot…
The casting was also well done for the main cast, and I will defend Willem Dafoe’s Goblin performance as highly enjoyable. The sets and story were great and the ending messages in the movie worked really well. Overall, I think these movies were done great though, they achieved the mood they went for. I really enjoyed this video, I thought you brought out some of the great parts of the series, outside of the dance and Emo Peter *ugh*.

Dude, Dafoe was awesome. Over the top acting was made the GG more fun.

wait, the Spider-Man movies all came out after 2000. does this mean you've moved your cut-off date to consider what's nostalgic? it's a new decade so I guess that would make sense.

7!? Um, shouldn't that Venom complaint be a bit lower? I mean, that a is a really big flaw in that movie. I was so pissed, and then when he finally did show up the kept peeling back the face to show that stupid head....ugh, no, the Venom's treatment in that movie was a little more atrocious to be put way up at number 7.



uh, wait, what? did.....did you just compare emo peter, who was DANCING AND ACTING GOOFY AND COMICAL......to Edward Cullen, the guy who doesn't even know that the concept of goofy silly playfulness even exists? how the hell did you go from dancing and mischievous playing to........Edward Cullen, the person who thinks a smile is an alien monster out to get him?

You’re not alone, Doug. I also like “Spider-Man 3.” Fhew, know I can bring it out for the world to know.

11. I kinda like the American flag gimmick. When I first saw the third film, the audience was applauding for that shot.

10. Gwen Stacy’s gonna be Pete’s FIRST girlfriend in the upcoming reboot, and The Lizard (his name isn’t Lizard-Man) is also gonna be a villain.

9. They’re extras. What do you expect?

8. It’s the VERY FIRST FILM! Again, what do you expect?

7. Well, you have to give credit that both the symbiote and Eddie Brock were in the film before they merged. Also, Iron Monger was in the end of “Iron Man,” and Abomination was in the end of “The Incredible Hulk.”

6. At least Peter didn’t make a deal with Mephisto (the devil) in the movies.

5. The arms have AI so they can turn Octavious into the criminal we all know.

4. They tried to make the film a bit more realistic. By the way, I like “War of the Worlds,” “Kingdom of the Crystal Skull,” and “Lost World.”

3. HE WAS CORUPTED BY THE SYMBIOTE! HE WAS SUPPOSE TO ACT LIKE AN ASSHOLE!!! Sorry if I was trolling. I don’t mean to.

2. I thought Willem Dafoe did the perfect Green Goblin. Also, Green Goblin is to the Marvel Universe what Joker is to the DC Universe.

1. YES. I’M NOT FOND OF THE DANCE SCENE EITHER! At least no one in the film spoke of it again. (BIG LIPPED ALLIGATOR MOMENT =D)

I like all 3 films of the trilogy equally, but I DO agree that they aren’t the Christopher Nolan Batman films.

Good list, Doug. Oh, and whatever you do, PLEASE don’t make a Top 11 Dumbest Star Wars Moments list. I beg for you not to.

SpeedyEric wrote: "I kinda like the American flag gimmick. When I first saw the third film, the audience was applauding for that shot."

Really? Here in Germany, people were either groaning or laughing. Stop plastering your flag over everything.

Yes, the first movie came out right after 9-11 so it can be excused to be part of the propaganda machine. But every action movie or TV series that was made since then is full of blatant attempts by the US-Americans to medicate their trauma with hyper-patriotic scenes and win the War on Terror in fictional TV land.

"Really? Here in Germany, people were either groaning or laughing. Stop plastering your flag over everything."

As an American, I laughed at this comment. That was funny. (Cuz it's true...)

I would like the flag effect more with a character who actually resounds with it: Captain America (preferably with the classic image of him tearing through the crushing a german sentry post, breaking into the nazi bunker, and knocking the piss out of hitler).

10. What does what's happening in an unreleased reboot have to do with the content of the original trilogy?

9. Extras are paid to act naturally, the extras in Spidey do not act like extras in other movies.

8. The film came out in 2002. By the standards of the time the effects were laughably bad even then, you'd expect a big budget movie of that time frame not to have CGI worse than that present in 1993's Jurassic Park, yet it does.

5. Yes, but in real terms giving the arms AI of their own makes absolutely no sense. Neither does allowing the chip that protects your brain no protection or shielding of any kind.

3. A dance number followed by an abrupt tonal shift is not the same as the intense inner conflict he apparently went through in the comics. How does a dance number make you an asshole? It makes you look stupid, that's all. The entry is because it took that intense conflict from the comic and made it look stupid, in no way representing what it did in the books.

I disagree, I think the dance scene totally portrays Peter as an asshole. If I recall correctly, Peter interrupts Mary Jane's singing (her current source of income - she's not doing too well.) He steals the show from her, flaunting his machismo and his new date, Gwen. He even violently throws his coat at Mary Jane during his dance sequence. He ends with Gwen romantically in his arms, right in front of Mary Jane. All of Peter's actions are hostile and emotionally degrading to Mary Jane in this scene. He was breaking her. A scene similar that I thought of is the opening scene in The Social Network, where Zuckerburg emotionally degrades his girlfriend (although he doesn't know it.)

Funny thing is in the comic and animated show he crashed his shuttle on one of the bridges because the symbiote was in the cock pit tying to attach itself to him and the co-pilot

Maybe the script writers noticed that space shuttles do not land near big cities.

Completely agree with Doug on this. Spider-man films are silly but good fun. Even the 3rd installment was quite entertaining, sure Venom could have been better but I think Spider-man was the best one yet, despite all its crazy moments.

I actually enjoyed watching the trilogy. I know why it was hated, but it was okay to me. heh.

I always thought Spider-Man 3 was just straight-up average. Not really "good", but then again, not the maelstrom of crap everyone seems to see it as. Seriously, it wasn't in the same group as Batman & Robin. It had its cool moments.

Anyhow, good list, Doug! Though you left out my least favorite moment of all: The part in Spider-Man 3 where Harry's butler reveals to Harry that he witnessed his dad cause his own death.

So let me get this straight: You've seen your employer get depressed & descend into insanity over the past two years, plotting to kill his best friend, you know the ONE thing that could really snap him out of it, & you do F***ING NOTHING??? That was the first time I ever wanted to instantly yell "WHAT THE F***???" in a crowded theater.

Other things of note:

- Interesting that you noted Jameson's son being a useless character...In the comics, he actually later becomes the villain Man-Wolf (so I guess that would've made him becoming Venom a tad awkward, but I liked your idea). Also Jameson considers people like his son to be the true American heroes, & hates it when superheroes like Spider-Man overshadow them. So his son is at the root of why he hates Spider-Man.

THAT could've been interesting to follow. But yeah, instead we got one line, then you're outta here.

- The reason Venom got so little screen time? Raimi hated the character, as well as any symbiote characters. It was pretty clear they were only included due to fan demand. So in a sense, WE were the ones who helped contribute to SM3's bad parts. Oops.

- Come to think of it, why WOULD you need to give robot arms AI if you could just control them anyway? Meh.

- God, that original trailer kicked ass. Frankly, I would've preferred seeing that scene in the film (or in the trailer over & over) just to remind us of the WTC's glory.

- Finally, maybe I'm nitpicking, but Doug, why do you sound so surprised over the idea of a Spider-Man reboot at the end? It's been confirmed for months now. Andrew Garfield is Spider-Man, & they're already showing pictures from the filming, costume & everything. Was this an older script, maybe? But meh, maybe I'm just overthinking it. Still awesome overall.

I can't be mad at Sam Raimi, he made The Evil Dead series..

I can, it's not terribly difficult for me to get pissed off every time I see the Green Rejected Villain From an Episode of Mighty Morphing Power Rangers or Emo Parker. Sort of how it's not difficult for me to want to slam George Lucas' head into a steel pole every time I listen to Emokin Skywalker whining like a little pussy, or Shia Labitch being anywhere within five thousand miles of an Indiana Jones movie.

And let's not forget he helped create XENA!

Its okay to like something corny, as long as you're aware that it's corny. My favorite was part 2. And y'know what? I LIKE somewhat silly superhero movies! Not full on Batman and Robin, but more light hearted than The Dark Knight. Superheroes are SUPPOSED to be fun and kid friendly, that's why I liked the movies that had a sense of humor about themselves, like Fantastic 4, Iron Man, even Superman Returns. Don't deny the hokeyness just because you're an adult, embrace it and let your inner child have some fun!

#1 was a Bigged Lipped Alligator Moment

As far as the reboot, no one I know thinks it'll do well. Why? WE ALREADY SAW WHAT THE STORY WAS! We don't want to see it again so soon. I would have cut my losses on 3 and find a way to bring back venom and done another one.

That's exactly what I said. Wow. I didn't think that anyone else thought of the B.L.A.M.

It's going to be a different character arc, with Gwen Stacy as Peter's first girlfriend. I think it's being redone as a more faithful representation of the origin story. So I mean, you're still allowed to not care about it, but it's not the same story.

Plus Andrew Garfield is awesome.

I also imagine that in the reboot, we'll see a cameo of MJ at the end saying to Peter, "Face it, Tiger, you just hit the jackpot."

This isn't the first time I've heard people think that, but truth be told they kinda need it. Look at Batman Begins. A reboot to a film franchise that wasn't that old, but ultimately it was a great idea because it was an incredible improvement. Same with Superman, a reboot is coming out for that since the franchise pretty much died.