Scene It - Halloween

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  • cyan
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    yay my fav Reviewer is back i loved this looking forward to more
  • Drunk Kingdom
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    This was the second movie that I ever listened to the commentary on, the first being the remake of Cheaper by the Dozen.
    It was also my favorite film for the longest time until I expanded the number of films I had seen to an exponential margin, namely after discovering this site. And thanks to you I discovered my favorite horror film yet, The Loved Ones. But that is another story.
    Halloween is a true horror masterpiece and outclasses nearly every other horror film to date, in my opinion. Watching this review, and watching the movie, or series in general brings back so much nostalgia.
    I know the others weren't great, in fact I'd say the second half of the franchise is downright awful (that being Halloween 5, ESPECIALLY 6, H2O, and Resurrection), but my mother and I bonded over these films so much as I grew up.
    Now I'm 17 and proud to love this movie!
  • ShalomDove
    This is an excellent concept for a show, Welshy! Personally, I've never seen an approach to video reviewing that uses this structure, and even if there is, no matter. It's still a great way to delve deeper into the finer details of a film (or, in this case, of one scene in a film) and I really do hope you continue with this series.
  • DLT00
    Ah Welshy, it's good to see you again. Was getting worried you disapeared for good.
    Great video. :)
  • Waffle
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    Just started watching...but have to know...what's the scene with the creepy baby doll at the start from?
  • doomgirlmeg
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    Brain Dead, or Dead Alive. Peter Jackson's first movie. Brilliant movie, I highly recommend it to horror fans and/or fans of camp weirdness. http://www.imdb.com/ title/tt0103873/? ref_=sr_1
  • EpicFish
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    Except for you know, Bad Taste which came out in 1987 while Braindead/Dead Alive came out in 1992.
  • Goat Boy
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    When's Saw VI coming?
  • doomgirlmeg
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    Very nice analysis. I think this scene is what spawned so many killer PoV's in horror movies, although almost none of the other served any purpose then to add tension. This scene and its reveal could not have been done another way, and the camera trick is used for more then its own sake. Good job, and I can't wait to see more of these. :)
  • Bloodrealm
    Okay, I laughed WAY more than I should have at the bumper at the end saying "Raaaaaaap Critic."
  • leviadragon99
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    It's a good scene... but it also raises many questions to me, why is that moment the inciting incident for him to kill his sister? I mean even if he was already an emotionally dead soon-to-be killer, then why would he even care that his sister had sex with some random guy, and if that is the moment that emotionally deadens him then why? It's clear that the act of seeing those two was a motivating factor but what's not clear is why...

    Why, if he is already a ticking timebomb does that moment in particular do it? And why head after his sister when the usual way of responding badly to that kind of thing is to blame the guy/aggressor/one that isn't family?

    The motivation is just very foggy to me, and I don't accept "because he's a psychopath" as some catch-all explainer.

    Maybe I'm an idiot and that's precisely the question that's answered in the rest of the movie, but it just seems like despite being something you praise for establishing context and character, it leaves out one fairly vital aspect.
  • Axel Osbourne
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    "The motivation is just very foggy to me, and I don't accept "because he's a psychopath" as some catch-all explainer."

    There is no motive, that's the point. It doesn't make any logical sense, because Michael doesn't make sense. Michael represents the fear of the unknown, which is far more terrifying than any monster we can dream up. Think about it, what do we fear most? Death. Why, because we know nothing about it: do we just stop, do we go to another world, reincarnate? There's no shortage of theories, but no real answer. All we know for sure is that death is coming, we can't stop it, we can't fight it, we can't beg it for mercy. And that's exactly what Michael is: You don't understand him, you can't reason with him, and you can't stop him! Michael Myers represents the fear of DEATH!

    Or maybe I'm just nuts, whatever.
  • snoofulus
    You pretentious "Michael / Chigurh / Whatshisface represents blah blah blah" guys can be so annoying at times.

    Yea, characters can represent stuff in movies, but you don't need that mumbo jumbo symbolism to explain his "lack of motive".
    Michael Myers looks and acts mysterious, almost robotic at times, there's obviously his creepy mask, and he seems to be kinda retarded/crazy as well. So while you can speculate with awe about what might be going on in his head (it's part of the appeal of this kind of villain), the bare fact that he has "no motive" is almost trivial and only has that awe-inspiring effect when placed in a context where everyone else *does* have motives and rules.
    But in itself, there's nothing remarkable or incomprehensible about it.

    Btw, why do a lot of jealous men end up attacking their wives rather than the competitor? (In all the cases where it's not the other way around, that is.) Both in fiction and in real life?
    This creepy fuck is jealous of his sister or something, so he attacks her. I honestly don't even see what's worth discussing or pondering there - if you think men only attack other men when jealousy is in play and Myers is some kind of game changer that calls for philosophical interpretations, you probably don't know that much in general.


    In general, this would've been a much better "horror movie" if it would've just been this creepy guy chasing people in cinematic / stylized ways - the gratuitous nudity and the whole sexual bullshit make it kind of rather sick and disgusting to me.
    But then again, why be influenced by giallo movies in the first place when you can't go on ruining everyone's fun at the movies? If I were Bruce Spence, I'd generally prefer being a happier, more upbeat guy all around if you catch my drift.

    But whatever, rant over.
  • EpicFish
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    What? I don't even...

    First of all, where on Earth did you get the idea that Michael Myers is retarded or that he's jealous of his sister from? The whole reason why the idea of this young boy killing his sister is so shocking is because he looks and seems to act like a normal child. We see nothing and are given nothing to go on that he was jealous of her or mentally challenged. Just a mentally disturbed child that probably was born without the ability to feel empathy.

    Second, if it was a movie where all the guy did was chase people, it would be boring. We need to have some kind of motivation as to why the person is killing, even if it is just "because he's evil". The philosophical interpretations come from trying to figure out what caused Michael to kill his sister. Again, jealousy never factors into it. It goes against why many psychologists call the Nature vs Nurture Effect. Is his desire to kill derived from the surroundings he grew up in? Or is it because of the way he was brought up as a child? Michael Myers, the one from the original Halloween and not Rob Zombie's remake, goes against those ideas and asks the question, can a person be born evil? Is it possible for someone to kill for no reason other than just because?

    Not to mention, I'd like to know where you found gratuitous nudity and 'sexual bullshit' in John Carpenter's Halloween. I won't deny that they are in the Rob Zombie remake, but Welshy is talking about the original movie here.

    If you really don't like movies that cause people to do any amount of thinking, you should probably stick to the ones that you can turn your brain off to enjoy. A good movie is one that can get people to think. It doesn't make them pretentious, although that's how you seem to be acting when you say "you probably don't know that much in general" because you think people can find psychological interpretations in a character like Michael Myers. It would appear that you don't know much about John Carpenter's Halloween as you seem to frequently confuse it for Rob Zombie's Halloween a few times in your rant.
  • snoofulus
    "First of all, where on Earth did you get the idea that Michael Myers is retarded"
    I don't mean that he's too dumb to put a bag over his head and play someone's boyfriend; but there's no evidence of any, uh, well, "higher cognitive functions" other than his predatory actions.
    When he gets his mask taken off at the end, he looks dazed and confused and can't proceed with the choking until he puts it back on.


    "or that he's jealous of his sister from?"
    It's a POSSIBILITY that is POSSIBLE. I was responding to someone who couldn't wrap their head around why he'd do that in the opening instead of going after her boyfriend or whatever.


    "because he looks and seems to act like a normal child."
    Yawn - every second (k, maybe third) psycho villain "acts normally". Not sure what part you're responding to here, as I haven't at any point said anything about little Mikey making evil faces and yelling "you shall die".
    Btw he's not a "normal kid", he's a "creepy kid", he's just vacantly staring at the camera when they take his mask of.


    "We see nothing and are given nothing to go on that he was jealous"
    The discussion was about why he only did that after she had sex - except for the sake of the trope of course.

    "mentally disturbed child that probably was born without the ability to feel empathy."
    That is obvious; but not all sociopaths stab people at random, there has to be an additional urge to kill.
    And as I've just said, I was responding to someone who was pondering why the sex thing served as a trigger.
  • snoofulus
    "Second, if it was a movie where all the guy did was chase people, it would be boring."
    Why? You would keep the suspense, the atmosphere and the "shock effects" and what not - just without the sick stuff.
    What you're basically saying is if it didn't have repeated shots of tittilation and topless women being stabbed and choked, it would be "boring" - nice knowing you ;)


    "We need to have some kind of motivation as to why the person is killing, even if it is just "because he's evil"."
    And... how would that be reduced by removing the boobs?


    "Again, jealousy never factors into it."
    Again, you're ignoring the context of my post.


    "Michael Myers, the one from the original Halloween and not Rob Zombie's remake, goes against those ideas and asks the question, can a person be born evil? Is it possible for someone to kill for no reason other than just because?"
    Against what ideas? What you're describing here is the "Nature" part, so that it doesn't go against.


    "Not to mention, I'd like to know where you found gratuitous nudity and 'sexual bullshit' in John Carpenter's Halloween. I won't deny that they are in the Rob Zombie remake, but Welshy is talking about the original movie here."
    Zombie increased it by a thousandfold, sure.



    "It doesn't make them pretentious"
    It does if the thinking they do is artificial, fallacious and unnecessary.
    Trying to find deep symbolic explanations to something that doesn't even by a stretch require any, is pretentious wankery.

    And please don't act like Halloween was a movie that "made you think". You CAN think about it, but at its core it's a slasher movie about a guy chasing teenagers with a butcher knife, and it's there for visceral horror entertainment and "works" on that level perfectly without relying on symbolism to unlock its meaning.



    "because you think people can find psychological interpretations in a character like Michael Myers"
    Killing a woman out of jealousy IS psychological; saying he could only do that if he were the "representation of death" isn't psychology, and it's also a sign of significant ignorance about motivations behind real life violence.

    Can't blame anyone for that because it's a sickening, disturbing subject, but yea.



    "as you seem to frequently confuse it for Rob Zombie's Halloween a few times in your rant."
    The redneck dad and the sexual molestation of a doughnut was in the Zombie version right? Yea I think I can keep track of it just fine.
  • Axel Osbourne  - Relpy to snoofulus
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    "You pretentious "Michael / Chigurh / Whatshisface represents blah blah blah" guys can be so annoying at times."

    "if you think men only attack other men when jealousy is in play and Myers is some kind of game changer that calls for philosophical interpretations, you probably don't know that much in general."


    "Trying to find deep symbolic explanations to something that doesn't even by a stretch require any, is pretentious wankery."

    WOW! You're a sweet one, aren't you. You know, you could try dialing down the hostility just a little. We're just talking movies here, no need for the attitude.
  • snoofulus
    There isn't any "hostility" in any of the three quotes you... quoted.
    Saying something or someone is annoying, isn't "hostility". Calling pseudo-intellectual wankery what it is, is not "hostility". Saying someone who wonders why a jealous (piece of shit) guy goes after his wife rather than the rival doesn't know a thing about real life violence isn't "hostility".
    Maybe you should stop feeling attacked all the time and just accept some criticism ;)
  • Axel Osbourne
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    "Saying something or someone is annoying, isn't "hostility". Calling pseudo-intellectual wankery what it is, is not "hostility".

    Actually, I'm pretty sure calling someone a "wanker" is an insult, especially to a comment that was not in any way confrontational. Yes, I admit I was reaching just a little with my interpretation (which is why I added the "or maybe I'm just crazy) part at the end, but it hardy seems worth getting upset about.

    "Saying someone who wonders why a jealous (piece of shit) guy goes after his wife rather than the rival doesn't know a thing about real life violence isn't "hostility"

    No, that's fine, except you original didn't said I didn't know much about real life violence, you said I didn't know much in general (calling into question my intelligence) so it seemed a little hostel. Also, are you implying that Michael wanted to fuck his sister? (Because that's the remake) I think Doctor Lommis would have been able to figure that out, instead of going crazy himself for lack of understanding him, and becoming convinced he's "purely and simply evil." Plus, he did get up and walk away after taking six bullets to the heart at the end, pretty much confirming that he was some supernatural creature, and not just some redneck that wanted to fuck his sister (again, that was the remake) Or as Laurie put it "the Boogeyman" So that pretty much eliminates any need to understand "real life violence".
  • Sewblon
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    It has been years since I have seen the original Halloween in its entirety. But I think that the identity of the victim is incidental to Michael Myers' actions, since in the movie he did kill people whom he has no relation to. He just goes to the house in the opening scene and returns in the climax because it is a familiar place to him. He kills his sister the first time and tries to kill Laurie the second time because he has a compulsion to kill, and they were both vulnerable and proximate.
  • snoofulus
    Wanker yes, but wankerY - no. It's actually a very pleasant process, it's about self-exploration and learning to accept yourself, who taught you to hate it with such a fiery passion?
    In all seriousness, that word is often used in reference to someone who engages in unneeded, pretentious and misguided philosophizing. The metaphor is that when someone does that it's basically like wanking, but it's not meant to be insulting - just derisive.
    Similar to "fanwankery" which is also not an insult.


    "especially to a comment that was not in any way confrontational"
    It was pretentious wankery, though ;)


    "(which is why I added the "or maybe I'm just crazy)"
    Which is funny, because calling what you wrote "crazy" also qualifies as a form of pretentiousness. It's like saying "wow look at the crazy shit I came up with, maybe I'm on to something, or maybe I'm just like totally mad or something!".
    No, it wasn't "crazy" nor was it cutting edge or novel - a villain in a movie represents death / darkness / some other bad thing, never had that one before!
    What it was is just kind of silly - that symbolism isn't needed to explain what's happening.


    "you said I didn't know much in general"
    Well, you know. I thought it was obvious that I was talking about something pertaining to the subject, and not math or something.



    "Also, are you implying that Michael wanted to fuck his sister?"
    Could've been anything, maybe just not let her fuck anyone else. It's merely a possibility that springs to mind, and hence removes the "absurdity" behind it.


    ""purely and simply evil.""
    The question was why he picked that moment to attack, though, rather than some random other moment.
    Maybe it was just a coincidence ;)


    "pretty much confirming that he was some supernatural creature"
    Uh, I think "larger than life" is more of the thing here, it's just to make him a threat that can't be solved with a little stab and hence create horror.
    When Jack Bauer gets stabbed in the stomach TWICE in one day and then just proceeds to kick ass in an iron mask, no one says he's supernatural either - it's just "movie logic toughness".
    Although the sequels started adding supernatural stuff I think.


    "Or as Laurie put it "the Boogeyman" So that pretty much eliminates any need to understand "real life violence"."
    If we go with "he's a demon from hell", then you're right. But then again if we go with "he's a psycho killer", you're right as well - real or not, it doesn't take any knowledge to understand that "he wants to kill".

    But that kind of "catch-all answer" is...
  • snoofulus
    But that kind of "catch-all answer" is something "leviadragon99" didn't want to accept, remember? And he WAS trying to think in "human motivation", to explain why he chose that specific moment to attack the sister, and then arrived at a dead end cause it just doesn't make sense why he didn't go after her bf instead.
    That's the point at which YOU came in to respond that of COURSE it's inexplicable, he represents death after all!
    Well... no. It's not. If you go with the whole jealousy / guy from outside the family sleeps with sister, like leviadragon99 did, then there's no mystery at all, and hence no need for mighty sounding symbolism.
  • mr.keys
    Nice video. Are you going to wait till this October to finish the Saw series Retrospective. If so, sad face :(
  • LimeGreenSquid
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    It's good seeing new stuff from you. Feels like it's been ages.
  • Professor Persona  - Delving even deeper...
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    This was quite enjoyable and I really hope that this series takes off. It amuses me that, with every series you put out, you delve even deeper into analysis. Your next series can discuss characters' facial patterns in detail! I jest, of course. I really like these analytical videos, and I look forward to your next one, whichever series that may crop up in.
  • Kaiju-Z
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    Definitely enjoyed how you examined this scene. Awesome work, Welshy 8)
  • TooMuchFreeTime
    I notice all (or at least most) of the pov shots are at adult level. I guess they don't want to make it obvious it's a child but the hand grabbing the knife kinda shows that.
  • Welshy
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    The hand is actually Carpenters (then) wife, Debra Hill :)
  • Tarantel
    What is with his back?
  • Batfan89  - Welcome Back !
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    I enjoyed your new video, I can see you doing on a video like this for the opening to Scream and A Nightmare on Elm Street, did you by chance review Bloody Murder ?
  • Me Wise Magic
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    Great review & concept Welshy. The analysis of the little moments in that scene were quite intriguing and forgot to take into account in my own personal viewing of the film when I saw it on TV. Looking forward to more upcoming videos of this type!
  • EpicFish
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    Hey, more content from Welshy is always a good thing in my book. :)

    I enjoyed the video Welshy, and I look forward to more of these Scene It videos. Although I will admit, I first thought you were going to be talking about the DVD game Scene It and that the people that make it, came out with a Halloween edition of the game.

    On a separate note about how the people of YouTube believe that James Rolfe invented internet reviewing and everyone after him is just ripping him off, I want to go out on a limb and say, half. Half of the people of YouTube believe that all internet reviewers are ripping off James Rolfe. The other half, spend their time bitching about how James sold out, bitching that Mike Matei is ruining AVGN/Cinemassacre or whining about how AVGN and Nostalgia Critic shouldn't be as popular as they are because they're so unfunny and how they're so much more talented than them because they'll never sell out so 'like, comment and subscribe plz'. At least, that's what I see.
  • Hardin
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    FIRST!
    Welshy if you didn't live in hobbitland or whatever you heathens call that other country outside the US, I'd personally deliver a bouquet of flowers with an overpowering smell of chloroform to your door and we could discuss that Saw Retrospective you decided to leave unfinished.
  • Welshy
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    Check above the video ;)
  • Cirra
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    I do enjoy listening to you discuss what makes horror movies (and movies in general) work for you, Welshy. :)

    I like the new series and would watch more of whatever you post; I appreciate any effort for content that you enjoy making. But yes, I am also waiting for your next Saw Retrospective and hope to see it sometime this year. It's one of the finest works on any horror series that I've ever seen.
  • Sewblon
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    I think that you spent too much time describing the content of the scene. If we are watching your videos, then it stands to reason that we have functional eyes and can therefore see the scene for ourselves.
  • TheBlondBaka  - Class
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    That was great, can't wait to see more =)
  • AntiTrust
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    I thought this was going be that DVD game Scene It using the Halloween movie.

    It wasn't what I was expecting, but I was pleasantly surprised. I like you as a reviewer and I like your focus with this new type of review for you. Should you make more, I'll be watching them for sure.
  • Khodaka
    I have to be that guy, you made me do this...

    Where's the next saw retrospective?

    You have a life, things happen, maybe an update vid so people dont have to ask? Not just... drop off the face of the universe? I know you said it would be the biggest of the reviews but... sorta been waiting on it for months.

    It use to be every day I'd google search "Saw retrospective 7" then it turned to every week, then every two weeks, and no its just whenever i happen to remember i haven't looked it up in a while.

    All honesty, when the critic stopped being... the critic, that series was the reason for me coming back to this site.
  • Ms. MM
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    I really like this new series, it seems like there's a lot of potential. And obviously it's fun for you.

    I was wondering, have you watched NBC's Hannibal? I have a feeling you'd love it. It stars Mads Mikkelsen in the title role, and Hugh Dancy (sans British accent) as Will Graham. It also has Laurence Fishburne as Jack Crawford, and Gina Torres as Phyllis Crawford. If you're a fan of the Silence of the Lambs media, you'll love Hannibal.
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