Welshy Reviews: Saw Retrospective Part 5 (Saw IV)

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  • summernight
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    Keep them coming. I am enjoying this retrospective series.
  • donut5
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    Well that's odd... I watched this just last week. I assumed this would be part 6.
  • Welshy
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    This wasn't posted last week, the NerdQuest vlogs were posted last week.
  • EpicFish
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    Same here. Shouldn't this be Part 6 Saw V or did I miss something?
  • Maclyag
    I think they're posting them first on blip and the a while later here. Why? no idea.
  • JunkWatcher
    It's kinda complicated, but I'll try to explain it as best as I can.

    First off, you must understand that tgwtg.com doesn't actually hosts the videos. The videos are uploaded to blip.tv, or in some cases springboardvideo.com, so that the owners can receive money from any advertisement that are automatically included in the video by those sites. tgwtg.com embeds those videos into the site, so that you can watch them here and more people will see them.

    But since TGWTG is a company and wants to do everything fairly, they hold a schedule on when who's videos will be posted. Linkara's AT4W is every Monday, the NC used to be every Wednesday and Welshy's videos are posted almost every Friday. There are a lot of exceptions to this, since not everyone can always can meet their deadline and I believe the reviewers can switch places as well, but you get the general idea.

    Note how I say "posted" and not "uploaded", since that happens on blip.tv and is done by the creator of the video whenever he wants. So it is very well possible that you have seen this video by Welshy before, since it was UPLOADED on his blip account on October 1st, but only now did they POST it on tgwtg.com.

    You follow me?
  • Zoonerd
    I just wanted to say that 'Killjoy Goes To Hell' is a movie that apparently exists... for some godforsaken reason. I'm not saying you should review it (along with Killjoy 3), I just thought you'd like to be aware of it. :)
  • KiramidHead
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    Gotta admit, I was a bit thrown by this one when i first saw it as well, mainly because I hadn't seen 3 for a while. I love the complex plot, though. You practically need a pen and paper to keep track of everything, just like an Alexandre Dumas novel. I still haven't seen 5-7, though. I should get on that some time.
  • Damaster00777
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    I feel obligated to put something almost meaningless in the comments.

    O-PIEEEEEEEE.
  • iAFXi
    i saw this like right when it was uploaded to blip, almost 3 weeks ago lol. i hope part 6 is uploaded soon
  • jhoberston
    Just give him a few days, (scratch that) few weeks , (scratch that) I just hope he gets around to it before the world ends on Dec. 21 ;)
  • JousterRed  - Actually
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    Sorry Welshy, there is no such thing as "shoot to wound" training. When you are trained to use a gun as an officer you are trained only to fire as a last resort as when you fire your weapon your intent is to put that person down. Granted Rigg's head shot is not typical as you are trained to shoot at center mass but it still remains that there is no such thing as "shoot to wound" for officers.

    That said I love these retrospectives! I for one had a different experience with Saw 4. It's my FAVORITE of all the Saw Sequels. I didn't have much problem following it and the reveal of Jeff from Saw 3 drew an audible gasp from me. At first I thought he was the the accomplice, but the reveal that everything was coinciding with Saw 3 was just brilliant. I remember being ENTHRALLED by this revelation and my jaw hanging open involuntarily.

    Something about this one really just hit me in all the right ways. The fast pace was different but wasn't throwing me for a loop. I think the lack of reflection on Rigg's feelings was deliberate as it emphasizes that he wasn't really learning ANYTHING from his game. And that all he cared about was finding Hoffman and Mathews despite the constant warnings ultimately leading to his failure. The reveal of Hoffman was a big bonus.

    Different takes and all that but that's what I got from it. I of course also loved the John Kramer flashbacks but the main story had such a fabulous payoff that the fast pacing was left in the dust for me.

    Sadly for me this was the last Saw Movie to really match my utter shock of the Saw 1 reveal.

    Keep up the great stuff!
  • Psxpert2011
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    Enjoyed the cross examination of this "SAW IV" movie.

    THe trilogy were actually "Theatrical". THe post trilogy are just movies.
  • Axel Osbourne
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    Yeah, I still hate Saw 4. From the first trap (which seemed to have no other point than to see two people die) to the long, boring, over-complicated mess that followed, which seemed to be nothing more than to (poorly) hide the fact that the story was OVER! Jigsaw was dead, Amanda was dead (and if they really wanted to continue the series, why kill her?) that should have been it. And yeah, they ended the last one on a cliffhanger, but I would have been fine with that. Sometimes those are the best ending.) When they said the cop (whatever his name was) was not only the new killer, but he'd actually been with Jigsaw the whole time, and we'd just never seen it, it was so clear that they were pulling that out of there ass. After that I just walked away from Saw, so I guess the coming reviews will all be a surprise. And to anyone that did like this, that's fine, but I really didn't.

    By the are you going to be addressing the the thing with the Saw 6 and 7 director, and how he was kind of made to come back to 7?
  • LittleTLK
    To be totally honest, the NC retiring from this site has only made me branch out and enjoy other reviewers on the site.
  • NJHatter
    Oh, so it's on here now. It was on blip a week ago.

    I watched Saw 5 yesterday. Now THAT was good. Real helping for the tie in things.

    Anywho... *leaves.*
  • BlueRoseEmbers  - ahhhhhhh
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    Wow even watching this review, I was confused about the movie. Then again I've never seen SAW (yep I'm a scaredy cat) and your reviews alone gave me nightmares where I was jigsaw

    I know this is not possible (at least not to my knowledge) but the best mind melt, you could have done is after watching this review your face would show up on the actual icon of the site *shivers*
  • lilbird
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    I am never going to watch the Saw movies, mainly due to its gory reputation, whether it deserves it or not (even though I'm rather desensitized to gore these days). However, these retrospectives are interesting, and it has helped in my understanding of the series. The trailers and the talks of people I know who saw it over the years have always seemed to portray the series as a bunch of movies that shamelessly show people dying in gruesome ways.

    However, every movie has to have a plot/story to work, and from what I'm seeing here as you, Welshy, describe these movies, you are pointing out its story and characters. And that has helped quite a lot. Again, still hasn't changed my mind about seeing the movies, but I'm more willing to see there is something interesting and possibly ground-breaking that the first couple of movies have done for the genre. Helps I'm a film student, so I am following this pretty easily.

    Also, I like your witty humor here. Looks like I may have found another reviewer to watch and enjoy.
  • crowleyswhitehorse
    The first film is the only one that doesn't deserve the gory reputation. There's blood in it, the traps are conceptually terrifying, the whole movie is basically constructed on violence - but it's nothing beyond what you would expect from similarly dark thrillers, Seven, Silence of the Lambs, etc.

    The sequels just get progressively more gory. That's a big part of the reason why I think they fail where the first succeeds. While the story is never completely discarded, it actually remains quite compelling (at least through Saw III), the gore gets so extreme that it makes you a bit numb to the whole experience.

    There's something about just getting the idea of a device like the reverse bear trap. You see what it does to a mannequin head, you see Amanda panicking and struggling to escape it, but you never get the graphic moneyshot. To me that's more effective, more unsettling. When the scene culminates in this big gory effect, the scene becomes about the effect, not the characters, not the story.

    If I'm recommending any movie in the franchise it's always going to be the first one. Although the story arguably becomes more interesting over the next 2 films, the first is the most complete on its own. It has the broadest appeal and works the best as a singular entity.

    The first film can be recommended to fans of horror, thrillers, generally dark, violent films about crime, serial killers. The sequels can only be recommended to fans of extreme gore. While they are able to rise above most of what's out there in the "torture porn" category, the fact that they do contain that element makes them effectively unwatchable to anyone not seeking exactly that. The original doesn't have that problem, it's a shame that it's often overlooked due to the reputation earned by the sequels.
  • Fan01  - It's Safe to Say
    Saw 4 is a mind fuck.
  • Captain Critic  - Great Job
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    Can't wait for SAW 5 keep doing what your doing great job
  • Biohazard_Cerberus
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    This is the third time he's posted this same video. What the fuck...
  • Welshy
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    Uhh, not it's not. Last week was NerdQuest vlogs and week before was Saw 3. The site wouldn't allow me to post the same vid twice.
  • TooMuchFreeTime  - BILLYYYYY
    OMG I was at the Keene NH pumpkin festival today and I saw a little kid in a billy costume complete with trike! I immediately thought of Welshy I was like damn I wish he could see this he would totally squee!
  • YellowJello  - No One Shoots to Wound
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    Officers in the United States are trained to shoot to kill. Once they raise their weapons, they are aiming to kill, not wound.
  • rebelliousking
    You know, I always secretly wanted to see the site switch NC's face with another bespectacled reviewer's for April Fool's Day, so I guess the end of this vid is as close as I'll ever get now.
    Oh also great review sir. You've been introducing me to so many great movies the last year or so, as well as the rest of team marganars, so thanks for that.
  • Michael Heide
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    Strahm and Hoffman might as well have been played by identical twin brothers (or fake twin brothers, Winklevoss-style). I absolutely could not tell them apart until halfway into part V. And it doesn't help that both are about as charismatic as an empty bottle.
  • CrazyEmoOtaku
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    i have an idea to bring back The Nostalgia Critic, but for that i need to become popular and famous on the internet. i just need time
  • SanMan
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    Theres a man raping a lady.
  • allan-moza  - Saw V
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    Great retrospective so far :-)
    But this was posted on Blip Oct. 2nd, and there's still no part 6... :-(
  • Lilyfae
    Hey Welshy, October is over and you still haven't finished the retrospective. Are you okay?
  • jhoberston
    Please keep Welshy (Mat) in your thoughts and prayers. We're pulling for you buddy. You'll get through this :)
  • Shlecky
    Can I suggest something? Art escaped from his trap not by co-operating with his partner, but by killing him. Thus, Jigsaw may have not considered his escape to be legitimate.

    Disclaimer: I have not watched the Saw films - I'm not really interested in horror as much as complex plots.
  • Larp-Head
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    fact : in the USA the police and armed forces are trained to kill and not wound. during their training the firearms test requires them to shoot the chest and the head.

    other than that, great video and break downs.
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