Welshy Reviews: Saw Retrospective Part 2 (Saw)

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  • SwindleFan65
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    You do realize that he's up to part 4 on blip right?
  • Britt Britt
    I have never looked forward so much to future vids.
  • Fishpaw  - Yay!
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    Been lookin' forward to this all afternoon!

    Grabbing a snack and hittin' play. *bounce*
  • Dark Crow I
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    I love Welshy's videos(especially his retrospectives) and I must admit that the reason I like Saw is for the same reason as him, I love the story. I actually am not a fan of the really brutal traps and I am glad to know that I'm not the only one. Welshy I am looking forward to the remaining retrospectives, you are awesome man.
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  • Welshy
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    Oh Reggie, is there anything you won't say
  • KingCobra582
    Say what you will about the later sequels (especially parts 4-6), but the first 3 films were the best. Jigsaw ranks right up there as a great horror icon.
  • zepolmas  - Re: Liz
    Willing to tell us something about your lovely lady friend (who clocked yer ass?)
    Also, have you guys finished "Nerd Quest yet?"
    Really interested in that.
  • ImitationJesus
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    will you be wearing that Loki Charms shirt for every retrospective?
  • Welshy
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    Lol, no. I filmed Parts 1 and 2 in one day, hence the same shirt. I've been growing out my beard to form a goatee for SAW 4, reasons why will be revealed in the vid :)
  • ohe
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    I'm getting tired hearing that 'not at random' excuse for Jigsaw. Yeah right. Those reasons for the victims getting targeted are so vague with that 'squandering their life in some way' explanation that it might just as well be random. If Jigsaw wanted to target fucking Jesus Christ himself (pre-crucifixion Jesus, I mean) he damn well would, and make up some lame excuse to justify it.

    Not that it wouldn't make an interesting movie, I'm just saying all it tells about how Jigsaw's mind works is that it... doesn't. Work.
  • Redblackdragon
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    The way I see it (admittedly, this retrospective is the only way I know Saw), Jigsaw is, to some extent, just plain sociopathic crazy, and wants to kill people. However, he at least thinks that he's targeting only those who have squandered their lives, and that is the motive he follows, he's just unstable enough that his choices of targets and what he judges as squandering a life become somewhat random.
  • Welshy
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    Saw 4 explains the reason for targeting the victims a little better.
  • Karutomaru
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    And no crappy advertisement! Victory to respect!

    You mentioned Platinumgames, the greatest game developer of the generation. Why?

    And how does Jigsaw transport the bodies? He has to be lucky no one is around to see him, and even MORE lucky that no one sees him dragging a guy's body off.
  • Redblackdragon
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    No, he mentioned Platinum Dunes, a production company responsible for many a crappy horror movie remake.
  • neytari
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    You find out later how he transported the bodies.

    I continue to be exceedingly pleased that you're doing this, sir.
  • torak49
    'finally
  • Haon
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    Are you going to at any point review "The Cabin in the Woods"? If you haven't seen it, it's online and I really think you'll love it!
  • Welshy
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    It's being released in the UK on Monday, I'm def going to pick it up. If I did a review on it, it wouldn't be until next year though.
  • Haon
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    Argh!
  • Docnintendo  - Thanks for the spoilers
    Thanks for the scream 4 spoilers I was just about to watch that movie next halloween. Nice review othervice though, like your british??? accent, eventhough its sometimes a bit funny :)!!!
  • dennett316
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    His name didn't give away what accent he has? You're technically right though, it is a British accent.
  • Axel Osbourne
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    "His name didn't give away what accent he has?"

    Huh? Why would the name Sad Panda give away his accent? (trolololo!)
  • Welshy
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    I'm actually Dutch-Irish
  • noahkai  - Wow.
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    I did not know that when Jigsaw said "X marks the spot" did he also mean himself, which that clue was suppose to say that the body was more important that just for the poison and the gun. I couldn't tell he was positioned like an X because it just seemed like the limbs were placed too close to the body, but then again he did that on purpose so no one could figure it out easily.

    Also, I felt bad for Adam, as yes his task was to leave and he was only given two choices, the first being the saw to cut off his foot, and the second being the key which I believed was placed by jigsaw close enough to the drain so it could be sucked down. I realized that yeah, while it had a bobber so it could float and be sucked down the drain, it had a light on it so it can easily be seen. I also think that Adam was set up on purpose to take out the plug so the key can fall down the drain, but at the same time he was set up to be given an equal chance to not pull the plug at all. He was basically screwed, which sucked for him.
  • Avlleks  - Jigsaw is not that orginal
    He's honestly a lot like the Riddler from batman. Also Have you ever seen the movie cube?
  • dennett316
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    Yes, the Cube film had traps, but it's not quite the same as Jigsaw is it?
    As for Riddler, don't know enough about the character to judge how close it is. In what ways are they similar?
  • Semudara
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    Cube is quite similar in that it's primarily about people trapped in a strange and terrible facility with no idea how they got there. What I mean is, the central concept is the same.

    But it is very different, the main way being that the audience's perspective DOES stay with the main characters within the prison, and we never do figure out exactly what was going on. As a result, Saw kinda underwhelmed me by comparison, but they're both very good horror movies.
  • Axel Osbourne
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    You know, I always thought Jigsaw was like a really twisted Batman villain. In fact, I wouldn't have minded seeing a Saw inspired version of The Riddler in Dark Knight Rises, instead of Bane (Didn't care for that movie, in case you're wondering) Or maybe have Jigsaw himself show up in Gotham. Yeah, I know that would never happen, but I can dream can't I?
  • exile31094
    Damn when i found out that part 3 and 4 where on blip i jumped out of my seat with joy , now with the NC gone Welshy has become my favorite reviewer on the site , since ive felt that the quality of the rest have gone downhill, and i would love if he did a review of the cabin in the woods
  • EpicFish
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    Argh! Post Part 5 (Saw IV) on your Blip already Welshy! I've already watch the other videos a dozen times each! I need my fix! T_T
  • AbsintheMinded
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    Great retrospective as always, Welshy!
  • Docnintendo
    I've always thought that Jigsaws biggest influence is "The Abominable Dr. Phibes". BTW thanks to these review it made me watch the last three episodes of the saw series. (The number 4 was when I first saw it too confusign so I stopped there.)
  • timotaka
    Since Jigsaw wants his victims to learn a lesson, what exactly would Adam have learned if he had happened to catch the key in the bathtub?
  • Welshy
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    Pay his electricity bill and stay away from women in pig masks.
  • The Movie Cynic  - Jawdrop
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    I probably still won't watch the movies (because like JewWario, I am a total wuss when it comes to anything even remotely scary), BUT! I have a new-found appreciation to this franchise thanks to your retrospective. (and it's even still going!) I truly like psychological thrillers like this and Scream. I find character driven things and character development to be one of the most enjoyable things about movies, series and stories. I guess you say I'm Team Lee; I care more about psychological twists and character development then the traps. I might at some point possibly watch the first film, maybe even the second and just fast forward through the first trap. As there really wasn't that much blood in the second either- despite the tag line. But anyways great retrospective so far and can't wait to see the next four parts of the series! :D
  • Shishoka
    I only have one problem with the SAW series, the shield against reason the fans create with the murder aspect. He is a murderer. Everything he does, the traps and games, are murder legally and morally. If you want to argue that he didn't actually kill anyone then I have one question for you. What do you call locking a guy chained to a pipe in a room to die of thirst? You call it murder. Oh, it was all a game and he lost? It's still murder. But he had all of these ways to escape? Is one of those ways opening the shackle that wasn't really locked and walking down the hall to his friends and family who all scream "Happy Birthday?" If the answer is no then it is still murder. There was never any question of ethical grounds, only questions of how insane the guy was and every time I heard people say that Jigsaw never really killed anyone a chill went down my spine.
  • Specter Von Baren
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    I agree. I didn't have any particular care for the Saw series and only really thought that the premise for the first one sounded kind of interesting (In how it was different). But as soon as people started attempting to justify his murders, I started hating the series.
  • KC97  - LOST
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    Oh god, why did you have to play that sad lost music when ''miles'' dies? I still get chills from that!
  • DevotedIdeal
    If you like the idea of a horror/thriller being set in one closed space, I have a feeling that you would love Buried (if you haven't seen it already).
  • Specter Von Baren
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    24:54 Bullshit he does. Grrr. This is where I hate the Saw series. I want you to appreciate life, so I'll set up a set of shot guns on a ceiling that will kill the first person that trips the wire. I want you to appreciate life, so I put a key in a bathtub right next to the drain that you will likely unplug as soon as you wake up, just for shits and giggles. I want you to appreciate life, by putting you through torture that is proven by real life events, to have scarred people so much that they are hollow shells of their former selves. I want you to appreciate life, so I make it so these life lessons can only be risen out of by killing someone else, or by being Batman and figuring out my traps and puzzles that would make Escher scratch his head. I want you to learn a life lesson like I did when I pulled myself out of a burning car by making a situation that is like making it so pulling yourself out of the car kills you.

    Screw your justifications!

    And never kills anyone? If I threw a man into a cage with a rabid grizzly bear and the bear mauled him to death, would that also not be me killing someone? If I hired an assassin to kill my neighbor, would that not be killing someone? If I just LEFT A MAN IN A ROOM TO DIE, would that NOT be killing someone?

    I never get this way over fiction. I always see what people are talking about or try to see the other side of things or what have you, but with this series generating these kinds of thoughts I can not stand it at all. I'm all for people admiring a villain, I'm all for people pointing out the good sides or humane sides of even the most horrible of people, but I also expect people to admit that they are villains or have done wrong.

    Screw it, it's not like anyone will listen to this...
  • Flaggermus
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    I wasn't sure if I'd watch this.

    I am a scaredy-cat. I've only watched a few horror-movies in my life, but I am very fascinated by horror-movies, killers like Ghostface, Freddy Kruger, the way horror-movies are made, the stories and such.

    I LOVE your Scream Retrospective, and have watched it over and over, I like the background and history I learned from watching it. But 'Scream' is on my very short list of favourite horror-movies. (it's so short there's only 4 movies on it).

    Saw has always seemed WAY out of my comfort zone. It seemed terrifying, and way too gory for me to handle. But at the same time, when you put out a retrospective, I know it's going to be interesting. Hmmm.

    I've watched your video now, and while I see that I don't want to watch this movie, it was very interesting to learn all this background-info. It's always cool when the ones making the movie have made a good result from little time and a low budget - because they had good ideas and actors. Even if I've only seen your clips and you talking about it, it seems to be a very scary, well-put together movie.

    And since you won't be showing us the most gory scenes, I think I'll watch the next videos in the retrospective as well.
  • CheftoniFTW  - I can probably mention spoilers seeing as no one g
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    Hey Welshy, big fan of your work (Also a fan of the Saw series) and while having a talk with a friend about the series, my friend brought up a good point.

    If Jigsaw's victims are always people that throw away their lives, how come some people are thrown into the game when they are just fine where they are.
    ex: Gordon's wife and daughter from the first one.
    You could argue that they were a prize for Gordon if he were to win the game. But they had no way of surviving seeing as their success in the game is out of their control.

    Also, Zep:
    What did he do to merit his spot in one of Jigsaw's games?

    The biggest example would be the yes-men in Saw 7, granted... that movie wasn't fun... And you could argue that their roles in the game changed because it was a different Jigsaw.

    Not here to kill the fun of the series, like you said the series is littered with plot-holes, but was wondering if you could share some of your thoughts.
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