Doctor Who Christmas Carol in 5 Seconds

Doctor Who Christmas Carol in 5 Seconds

Written by Phelous Sunday, 03 April 2011 22:38

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04.03.2011 - 22:55 | ggbhtg - Shhh. Plot holes only attack when noticed!

You've created a TIME PARADOX Solid Sn- er Phelous! (Or how about Pholid Snakous?) I'm glad there's someone else around to point out the plotholes so I can remain a casual viewer. But now, I feel bad for not remembering certain blatant inconsistencies the "touching the other you = bad" . Although you could probably explain it away with the Big Bang from the Series 5 finale or something.

04.04.2011 - 00:04 | Majin47

You do realize that you're talking about "plot holes" for a Tv series well over 20 years old right?

04.04.2011 - 09:57 | InternetHobo - 20 years old?

This episode aired last year (Xmas Special). And the clips in this video (excluding the last two) are from the current run of Dr Who that started in 2005.

If your going to create rules like these and show the consequences then dont go and break them later on and have nothing happen. I thought the xmas special was very boring, they could have done anything but chose to do a scrooge story. Bah, humbug.

04.04.2011 - 08:56 | ladydiskette - HOLY CRAP!

What are those freaky winged demon creatures! 0__0 Now that is what I call nightmare fuel!

04.04.2011 - 13:05 | e33laf

Those creatures are called Reapers, and they usually arrive whenever there is a paradox created in an established timeline in order to set things right again.

04.04.2011 - 13:37 | ladydiskette - Re: e33laf

Oh okay thanks :)

Though I would hate to meet those in a dark alleyway anytime soon.

04.03.2011 - 23:39 | hollychristine

yes.

I could not agree with you more.

04.03.2011 - 23:52 | Gliblord

Wibbly wobbly solves everything.

Apart from the glaring time travel inconsistency though it was a great special.

04.04.2011 - 03:31 | Phelous

I agree, I liked it too and it was a good story for Matt's Doctor, partly because Amy wasn't in it much I think he does better when she's not around. But they kinda obliterated Doctor Who's established rules of time travel there. There probably should have been some reason he was able to screw with Kazran's life like that.
By these rules if the Doctor doesn't like who you are as a person it's nothing a quick trip in the Tardis won't fix haha.

04.04.2011 - 12:23 | Gliblord

I'm sure the fans have come up with dozens of convoluted workarounds already. I remember reading somewhere that Kazran could touch his younger self without triggering those weird reapers because they "weren't the same people anymore, Eleven totally changed him!" Yeah, I'm sure Rose and her baby version were totally the same.

Also, wouldn't screwing with Kazran's past have changed his future so that he was no longer in that room watching his life change?

05.16.2011 - 19:30 | Fuery87

Rose touching he younger self didn't cause the Reapers to appear, it just kind of made the situation worse. I think it may already be demonstrated a few times that simply coming into contact with yourself is not itself big enough of a paradox to bring the Reapers.

And since when can't time be rewritten? The Doctor has been rewriting time for like the entire series. He just makes a point that there are some things that can't be changed. Kazden's life apparently isn't one of those things.

04.04.2011 - 22:14 | montanker

Yeah, don't think too hard about Dr Who time travel laws. It'll make your brain EXTERMINATE itself.

04.05.2011 - 00:32 | EspanolBot

I think that the explanation was that since Rose prevented her father's death, that weakened reality enough for the Reapers to pass through once more and more paradoxes were imposed on reality.

Whether that's the official explanation or not, I don't know. If all else fails, just put it down to Timey Wimey etc.

04.04.2011 - 00:14 | Dragon-FangX

The Universe got reset. Time works however the Doctor says it does. The Doctor makes everything up. Take your excuse. :3

04.04.2011 - 03:38 | brick mooncode

It's the Doctor's universe and we're all just living in it. And might I add, timey wimey.

04.04.2011 - 00:16 | mumbls

Timecop did it best with Ron Silver's death.

04.04.2011 - 00:44 | The_Awesometeer

Huh

04.04.2011 - 01:24 | SgtGunlock - don't worry about it

hey, time fluctuates some events can be messed with some can't. what ever it still was a good special

04.04.2011 - 01:44 | Amaya Ramiel - Time Paradoxes are fun

I remember thinking the same thing when I saw this episode (which I did like very much, btw). When the boy and the old man were in the same room together I thought the doctor would tell them not to touch each other because
"the encounter could create a time paradox, the results of which could cause a chain reaction that would unravel the very fabric of the space time continuum, and destroy the entire universe! Granted, that's a worse case scenario. The destruction might in fact be very localized, limited to merely our own galaxy", or something like that. ;)

04.04.2011 - 01:41 | hmmm - Been done for years

Many geeky explanations (i.e. the time wound creatures only appeared because of a weak point created by multiple doctors and roses + her interfering in events) but at the end of the day they change the situation for the purpose of the story.
It's not like they did anything major like taking centuries of stories and lore about... Vampires for example, completely ignoring them and turning a creature once feared by many into a sparkly, whiny and most importantly boring creature. No one would be stupid enough to do that!!! Oh... wait...

04.04.2011 - 01:57 | punksweets

That the problem with fiction with Time travel "rules" your just going to end up breaking them

04.04.2011 - 02:09 | droppingpenny

Here is a good explanation for everything: Time Travel doesn't exist, you can make up whatever you want.
I do have a question though: Why is Phelous so obsessed with Doctor Who all of a sudden?

04.04.2011 - 03:13 | Eruvadhril

Well done, that man :D

04.04.2011 - 03:38 | brick mooncode

A pair of docs = a paradox.

04.04.2011 - 03:43 | Mickael J - Not the same situation

Well, the young and the old Kazram are not exactly in the same time period, when the doctor can't go back in time in a certain situation, he means, not in a few hour so I can stop this man to do the thing he's done behing me, but he can see what aliens let in the center of the earth or let a dying woman seen herself young before dying. He can change time, but not his time, like rose did when she save his father when the previous doctor and roses are supposed to see him dying, he can't go back in time and say to himself "warning, don't do this or you will lost a regeneration". It's not in the same level of time fuck up. and in father day, the doctor didn't react immediatly at the eventuality of the time's eater attack, he didn't think that would happens after rose saved her father, because it wasn't that "important", and the kindness of a old man is "less important" than the life or death of a time traveller's father.
plus, the doctor now think than history can being rewrite since flesh and stone, and the universe change do to the explosion of the tardis and the reboot of the universe, I supposed than that means new rules.

04.04.2011 - 03:57 | Kouadio

A simpler answer: It was ok, because Santa Christ allowed it

04.04.2011 - 04:05 | David2

Wibbley-Wobbley-Timey- Wimey, plus the Doctor said the rules of time were his to command now ("Waters of Mars"). Time Lord (writer) Triumphant.

04.04.2011 - 22:59 | bojak90

The whole "Time Lord Triumphant" thing was to set the Doctor up for the ending where reality shoves it in his face that he couldn't make the change he wanted.

04.04.2011 - 04:32 | Akane1412

I don't really know any of this doctor who-- got curious though.
But It's nice to hear my favorite homunculus talking with Eike at the end =D

04.04.2011 - 05:38 | Loony

It's too true, Moffat tends to push the idea of how time works in the show to basically show off. It doesn't always work (like in the Red Nose special mini-episodes that made no sense).

But I still like that episode, it kind of feels warm :)

04.04.2011 - 06:07 | Flaregun

That's what I like about Doctor Who: they never let continuity get in the way of a good story.

Besides, it was Christmas. We all know the Rules of Time work differently at Christmas, how else could that fat dude in the sleigh visit the house of every kid on Earth in one night while simultaneously doing battle with the Devil while aided only by his trusty assistants Merlin and Droppo the comic relief Martian?

04.04.2011 - 06:33 | FunkyM

Bah. Bah, I say.

And the rest is silence...

04.04.2011 - 06:37 | Cornwind Evilman

Hey, the Doctor said it best.

"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect... but actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly... timey-wimey... stuff."

Honestly, I think the finer points of quantum travel and manipulation are so insanely complex that they change constantly and the Doctor uses shorthand to give his companions an idea of what's going on at the moment. In other words, do it well, and feel free to use time travel to do ANYTHING!

04.04.2011 - 08:47 | Loony

@Cornwind I think the truth here is that time works in plot-convenient ways. If it'd be too easy to just go vworp the TARDIS somewhere and save people (like in Moffat's The Girl on the Fireplace), then the Doctor can't do this and it's justified with technobabble. If a writer decides, however, that the story should be built around owning a time machine and going back in time and changing it (like in also Moffat's A Christmas Carol), then this is how time works. Continuity? It's not all that important and I don't think there is a point in trying to justify these inconsistencies.

07.30.2011 - 09:49 | DangerousLoki

A valid assesement of the situation. But I think there's a much simpler answer. Matt Smith clearly used a Frankenhole.

04.04.2011 - 08:53 | loomCAT

In all honesty though, you can probably find gaping plot holes in every episode if you try hard enough. I still love the show, though, and this episode is no exception.

04.04.2011 - 09:09 | Laytonmobile

I thought even the parts without time travel sucked for this one, and it was just boring.

04.04.2011 - 09:10 | Bloodyrose

I'm just surprised you didn't just use the clip of the flying shark for the Christmas special in 5 secs.

04.04.2011 - 10:37 | Laurenza - Phelous, I love you...

...for making the same point I made when the two Amys touched in the season finale. I even brought up that scene from Mawdryn Undead. I also love you for referencing Shadow of Memories (Shadow of Destiny for those of an American persuasion). It's one of my all-time favourite games and I thought no one else had ever heard of it.

04.04.2011 - 10:47 | Twelfth Doctor

I will get round to a paper review of this at some point. It was a nice Christmas story if you get your head round the fact IT MAKES NO F*CKING SENSE. And the meddling with time thing is only the start of a whole can of worms to do with this one episode...

04.04.2011 - 10:48 | RoseNoir90

I'm surprised when people moan about how when Kazaran cuddles his younger self (or when Amy touches Amelia in TBB) those flying monsters don't appear. The Doctor in "Father's Day" never outright says that touching another version of your self will cause time to be damaged; only that a paradox would weaken the protection of the church at that moment and give them extra strength.

That being said; yeah, the Doctor really does outright screw with time here and as much as he arguably improves Kazaran's life ("better a broken heart than no heart at all"), I don't see how it's something he has the right to do. Neither is this "time can be re-written" shtick that Moffat has brought in since he took over. It goes against over 40 years of established continuity that the Doctor cannot and will not use the TARDIS to change things once he's part of events. William Hartnell blatantly tells Barbara in The Aztecs; "You cannot change history. Not a single line!" Then you have Tom Baker refusing to change history even thought it means getting rid of the Daleks for good. And then we had Ten's whole breakdown about even attempting such a thing in Waters of Mars. And now it's something he does without a seconds thought? 0_o

Plot holes aside, I do like this Christmas episode, just for the original take on A Christmas Carol and Matt Smith is hilarious as ever. ^_^

04.04.2011 - 10:49 | cubs2084

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed the glaring problems with this episode.

04.04.2011 - 11:47 | MasterChief43

If the Doctor had done what he had hoped to do, IE, make Kazran a good guy, that would have changed the whole nature of their first meeting, thus messing up time real good. BUT, he did not suceed - Kazran still hated the Doctor's guts and forgave him afterwards. As such, rewriting the timeline caused no damage. The Doctor's plan probably was to make Kazran good and then tell him to act bad to preserve time and space intact while still convincing him to save the ship. As for the whole why doesn't Kazran touching his younger self thing (which is far less creepy than it sounds) does not obliterate the universe, its because its the kid who traveled into the future rather than the adult into the past, like in Father's Day. As such, the effect is not present. Changing the past is far more dangerous than messing with the future.
To sum up, The Doctor can mess with other timelines but his own, and he at no point said or did anything to mess with his own timeline. The two versions of the same persion making contact paradox did not occur, because the situation was reversed. Happy?

04.04.2011 - 11:43 | MasterChief43

And people, many of you seem to forget that Time is in flux due to the Time War. Ten freaked out in Waters of Mars because THAT was a fixed point, that if changed, would wreck what little stability time had left. When Amy and her younger self made contact, it was the END OF THE FRIGGIN UNIVERSE. It had already ended, all rules out the window, dirty tricks and paradoxes were IN with no consequences any greater than the END OF THE UNIVERSE! Time CAN be rewritten now, thats the new series's hook! The Doctor does not want to mess with his timeline, because even he does not know what might happen, not because it will end the the whole of reality. Those creatures in Father's Day only FEED on paradoxes, irregularities and the like. If they sense stuff like that, they go and have a snack. Its quite possible that they got lured by a Time Crack(pretty tempting) and just vanished for good. The rules HAVE changed and thats the friggin best thing about Doctor Who - everything can CHANGE and nothing is permanent. Its always new and its always fun. Rant over. Sorry for the double post.

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