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Comments (62)
  • example
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    Bedankt om deze film te ontleden Kyle . This is one of those movies that came out when I was 16 - 17 looking for the strange and possibly reveiling and guided me to discover a lot of great movies.
  • Overlookers
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    So this is the film in Leon's intro

    Kyle I recommend tackling Jeremiah Johnson, it is most artful and constructed western I know of.
  • 4EFH517
    Was... was 'Lone Ranger' a SEQUEL to this? 'Ranger' was also a western with a partly ineffectual protagonist, a crossdressing outlaw, a cannibal villain, a Native American outcast from his own tribe, and, of course, Johnny Depp. Just... I can't imagine Depp, Executive Producer of 'Ranger', seeing all this and thinking it was all just coincidence.
  • 1010110
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    whole episode about Native Americans, and poetry, and no mention of Sherman Alexie I'm actually a little disappointed.
  • PlayMp1
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    Yeah, that's surprising. He has a bit more of an impact where I live (since he's from here, and you can catch his writing just walking around town and picking up a copy of the The Stranger), but a smart guy like Kyle should have mentioned him.
  • Gethenian  - reply to 1010110 & PlayMp1
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    Well, every episode has LOADS of research go into the scripting process. There's always a certain amount that gets cut for time or pace, and there will always be things that get overlooked because there's just too much information for any one person to become an expert on every facet of every theme in every movie. This episode in particular had more than the usual amount of research that went into it for one sad but simple reason:

    Neither Kyle nor I have almost any knowledge about the history of Native American representation in the arts, or of Native culture on any level more specific than the kind of amalgamation of assorted generalities one finds in Disney's Pocahontas.

    Almost everything in this review had to be learned from scratch. And there IS a mention and short digression into one of Sherman Alexie's films, Smoke Signals (which I LOVE, by the way -- I've watched it 3 times this week). Alexie is not mentioned by name but he was certainly researched. It would have been difficult to incorporate him -- or any other significant contributor to cinematic arts from Native background/perspective -- into the review to any greater detail without derailing into tangents all over the place.
  • joelkazoo
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    If you want some First Nations perspective film making, I recommend the Bruce McDonald-directed film Dance Me Outside, and it's short-lived CBC spinoff show The Rez.
  • CyborgPrince
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    Definitely an interesting take on the representation of Native Americans in cinema. Sounds like a real good film to check out. My Stars and Stardom on Stage and Screen professor showed a clip of the train ride during one class. I forget the topic of that class though. "He fucked his parents." "Both of them?" Lol. Gotta love dark humor.

    Interestingly enough, whenever a real Native was used for a Native character in a film, they were often Canadian. That Reel Injun itself is a Canadian film directed by an Indigenous Canadian filmmaker.

    You're probably tired of requests, especially since I already made a couple, but I'm hoping you'll cover more films by Guy Madden such as Dracula: Pages of a Virgin's Diary and The Saddest Music in the World (which the latter is a bit of a commentary on the cinema of Canada vs. the cinema of the United States). Maybe cover some Denis Villeneuve as well. Canadian cinema often gets overlooked, especially in Canada.
  • Gethenian
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    We've watched The Saddest Music In The World. It is an incomparably stunning film which is on the general list of potential films to review but may go onto the list of potential films to be co-written or even primarily scripted by me. I adored that movie and have been meaning to watch it again for a long time now. :)
  • Djiril
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    Thank you. I now understand this film much better than I did when I watched it.
  • ArtticWitchica
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    My teacher showed us Smoke Signals in High school when we were reading Sherman Alexie. This movie looks interesting and I will definitely check it out.
  • Guild Navigator
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    I fucking LOVE this film. Man,all those wonderful indie films from the 90s seem like a distant dream now. Studios pour hundreds of millions on these overblown productions without a decent script (or in the case of some movies like Man of Steel or The Lone Ranger a decent editor) and its just heartbreaking. Stupid white men indeed.

    Speaking of Native American-related cinema from that time I recommend Sunchaser (1996). Its a pretty intersting story and Woody Harrelson has a rather unusal performance in it.

    BTW Kyle,when are you going to review Basquiat?
  • Gathenhielm  - Great episode!
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    I love this show, it's probably my favourite one on the site.

    There was one that bugged me about this episode, though. Kallgren critizises "The Lone Ranger" and "Twilight" for having a white man play the role of a Native American, but in the Shakespeare retrospective he praises Branagh for his colourblind castings, even going so far as to referring to those who objected to having Idris Elba play the role of Heimdall as "Odin-worshipping racists".

    This confuses me.
  • Gathenhielm  - Huh.
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    So apparently the preferred method of dealing with a question from a fan is to mock said fan on Twitter.

    Seriously... I just said I was confused.
  • Gethenian
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    They're very different issues because Native peoples in this country have a history of being denied a presence in popular culture except as stereotypes, often villains, savages,objects of mockery, and virtually no representation that is accurate to ANY tribe's culture or attitudes.

    We have no history here of Norse people being denied rights or voices. Also, Branagh is not American. Branagh is adapting literature that was created in his historic culture and playing around with it in kind of an "alternate universe" interpretive way. Branagh's interpretations of Shakespeare do not deny any historically misrepresented peoples a voice, nor are they insensitive mockeries to the races cast in those roles. They really are not comparable issues at all.

    (And I'll be sure to give Kyle a good smack upside the head when I see him tomorrow. Sorry about that. ^^ )
  • Gathenhielm  - Gethenian
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    Thank you very much for replying.
    Honestly, I'm just ignorant about both the films in question (I have neither seen "Twilight", "The Lone Ranger" nor any of Branagh's work) and racial relations of America and Britain. Which is why I wrote my initial comment. I was just wondering why the issues were different, and I am very grateful to you taking your time to explain them to me.

    I was also ignorant of the fact that everyone is sick of hearing people complain about Idris Elba (I don't internet much...) It was not my intention to do so, but had I known how tired the whole argument is I wouldn't have brought the man up at all.

    Finally, let me just say that you bursting in with the hat made laugh so hard I was worried I'd break a rib, and that I'm very much looking forward to the next episode.
  • Gethenian
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    Honestly, I had never heard of Idris Elba prior to YESTERDAY and I am still unaware of any issues people have ever specifically had with her.

    Racial issues differ MASSIVELY from culture to culture. It's completely understandable that a non-American would not understand how racial issues relating to Native Americans are different than what DOES otherwise appear to be comparable casting choices by other directors.

    Thank you for the complement. ^_^ We're glad to get any audience response back about having me onscreen to see whether it's working for Kyle's audience or not. ;)

    May I ask where you are from?
  • Gathenhielm
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    I'm Swedish, and keeping up with racial issues in Sweden is difficult enough. That's whole other can of worms, though, that I'm not even gonna touch upon xD

    English is my third language (Finnish being the second) so I know I don't always express myself in the manner that I intend, and I can see how my original comment would seem dumb as bricks.

    I can only speak for myself, obviously, but I think you make a great comedic foil to Oancitizen's straightman, and I'd love to see more of you in future reviews.

    Also, please don't smack him. You might hurt your hand, and we all need your excellent artwork ;)
  • Gethenian
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    You express yourself more clearly than most Americans do in English. I am seriously impressed, I would NEVER have guessed it wasn't your first language. I think that's why there was some confusion -- you don't SOUND foreign so there was no reason for anyone to assume your perspective may have been that of someone who was not from here. If you had been an American making that comment... that does come off a bit stupid, because Americans should know better. But non-Americans have no reason to understand perspectives in our country about the history of racial problems and attitudes. It is NEVER stupid to ask something you can't understand from your own native culture and perspective. It's admirable that you bothered. ^_^

    Anyway...

    The consensus so far seems to be that I work as a comedic foil, which is great to hear because I enjoy doing it. I'm glad you like my goofing about. ;)

    I'll smack him with a stuffed animal, how does that sound? ;)
  • Gathenhielm
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    Oh, thank you very much! I think the problem is that I have a fairly firm grasp of the grammar, spelling and vocabulary, but the more subtle points are much harder to pin down. I find I either fail to get the intent of what I'm trying to say accross, or I overexplain in an attempt to remove any sort of doubt of what I'm actually trying to say. For example, I should have, just as you say, have pointed out that these issues are foreign to me, and that I have no real frame of reference. Oh, well you live and learn.

    Makes me think of a quote I read somewhere. Confucius I believe. "The man who asks is dumb for a moment, but the man who does not is dumb for a lifetime." (Or something.)
    I asked a question, that in retrospect seemed pretty damn stupid, but you were kind enough to teach me. I learned something, and for that I am very grateful. :)

    Stuffed animals are fine. Smack away ;)
  • alexanderthegreat
    As someone who did criticize the casting of Idris Elba in Thor, it was most certainly not due to Odin-worship of any kind (filthy Vikings pillaged my land!), rather, I think it's very much a case of demographics-chasing without putting thought and sensitivity into it.

    Idris Elba plays a Norse god - or more technically, an alien which undergoes resurrections and accompanying physical changes every few eons, which would explain why there's a black dude as a Norse god. That doesn't explain why he's more or less the ONLY black dude in Asgard. Just about every other major Asgardian character (Hogun doesn't count, as he isn't an Asgardian) is white, and the hundreds of extras are too. When the film goes to earth, the vast majority of characters and extras are white - despite it being set in New Mexico, the state with the highest population of Latinos in the U.S. Evidently they hit their quota for non-whites in the movie.

    There are any number of existing black characters in the Marvel universe which Idris Elba could've portrayed brilliantly, several (such as Shango) which would have worked for Thor. But the big issue nowadays is tokenism, where one black character is "enough," and certainly you can't have a black character in the lead role. Ethic minorities - and women! - are there for supporting characters. Ever wonder why Wasp wasn't in the Avengers despite being a founding member?

    A while ago, there were plans to make a Black Panther film, but apparently they were shelved because it was *not believable* for a technologically advanced African kingdom to exist... yet apparently techno-alien-vikings were just fine. The fact that it was more doable in Hollywood to have a black dude playing a Norse god than to have a mostly-black cast of black people from a scientifically forward nation is pretty damned depressing to me.

    TLDR: I'm mostly angry because Idris Elba would've made a kickass Black Panther, but apparently Wakanda just breaks the suspension of disbelief in comic book movies too far for Hollywood.
  • Arakasi  - Racism
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    I'm iffy on this issue. It seems to me that a lot of people are saying, and I'm not quite sure that is what you're saying, that movie roles for minorities should always (or almost always) go to actors from the actual minority they are portraying.

    I'm not sure, but to me the whole issue smacks of reverse racism, which as we should know, is just racism. Why can a white person not play the role of an American Indian so long as they look sufficiently like one to suspend disbelief?

    Just wondering if anyone else has an opinion on this.
  • Vermillion  - Gathenheilm and Arakasi
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    Maybe, and this could be a bit of a stretch, but maybe...it has something to do with the unfortunate history of Hollywood (hell of Western entertainment and art) where white performers repeatedly took on caricatured personae based on pretty terrible racial stereotypes of other races, while simultaneously ostracizing people of those same races from getting any kind of chance to present their own art and entertainment as well?

    Could it be that Idris Elba playing one Norse god in a comic book movie doesn't compare nor make up for the many whites made to play Indians, Asians and yes, African Americans on stage and film? And the few actual minorities who did manage to play their race had to conform to horrible stereotypes in order to be even seen, thereby reinforcing them?

    And is it possible that being a white male is such a default state in Western media, that there is very rarely any kind of racial component involved in such characters, allowing them to be inhabited by just about anyone, but a minority character is oftentimes the sole representative of their own race in a work, if for no other reason than the dearth of such characters in general leaves a void of impression in the media that they desperately have to fill? So when a white man is cast as a minority character, there is rarely any awareness of this, or there is an attempt to overcompensate into stereotype and ridiculous theatrics?

    Not to say it can never be done successfully. Patrick Stewart famously played Othello, but that was with a primarily black cast, so it did not play as a stunt or unfortunate casting, but a clever inversion of the typical production. It's just that in most cases, there isn't that much thought nor consideration going into such decisions being made.
  • Gathenhielm  - Vermillion
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    Thank you for your reply.
    Since I am not American, and not very well versed in the history of Hollywood, the point that you bring up did not occur to me... which is the reason I made my original comment in the first place.

    I wasn't trying to express my own opinions on the subject (since I don't have any) I just wanted a clarfication regarding Oancitizen's opinions.
  • Vermillion  - No problem
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    I have had plenty of practice trying to explain the Idris Elba thing to people before. And I understood you question wasn't out of any kind of trolling, but of honest query.

    Arakasi, however, brought out the (at least in America) fairly controversial term of "reverse racism", which I think led to Oancitizen's Twitter remark and my own degree of snark in my reply.
  • Arakasi  - In Reply to Vermillion
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    It could have something to do with the history involved yes, but history is not a justification for present racism. Like you said, it can be done right, where the character is not a mere stereotype of the race they're portraying, but realistically whether or not it is a stereotype comes down to the writing as opposed to the actor playing the role. Simply because you have an American Indian playing the role of an American Indian doesn't mean it'll be better than a white person playing an American Indian.

    What I'm saying is that actual race should be irrelevant, if we are to truly not be racist. What should be represented correctly, and not stereotyped (in a serious production anyway), is the culture that is applied to various races.
  • Annie-Mae
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    I think I like this comment so far. The actor playing the role STILL is directed to act that way by the writer and the producer, and even if they tried to add some dignity to the role, it's still written in a poor way.

    The gag of Johnny Depp throwing food as his 'bird' has been treated as a 'poor' representation of the native culture, but I could argue that it done out of annoyance to the design of the character. Like, if I had a bird on my head I'd throw peanuts at it too cause it's fucking silly.

    Someone at Disney drew up this goth version of Tonto and Depp had to wear the outfit. VS Jack Sperrow, where he threw himself into the role and HE made the character that character.
  • Steve the Pocket
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    As I understand it, it was Depp himself that came up with the look of the character, because he has that kind of clout now. He based it on a painting called "I Am Crow" that depicted a Native American with a bird behind him and misinterpreted the bird as being part of his hat. No, really.
  • Vermillion  - Also....
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    By the way, on the Idris Elba thing, the Norse were not as pearly white nor as closed off from the world as people like to make them in popular entertainment. And there is a train of historical thought that the entire Norse religion never actually existed in the form people think it did. So there were a lot of bitching and moaning over something that not even the Norse may have believed in.
  • MichaelGrey
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    Hasn't Johnny Depp said that he has either Cherokee or Crick ancestry? And isn't he himself descended from Elizabeth Key Grinstead, the first African woman to sue for her freedom from Slavery and win? So he's part Native American AND part African-American. Shouldn't you have brought up Depp's racial roots in this?
  • Gethenian
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    If he DOES have ancestry that is both Native American and African American, that's... good for him, I guess, but he's still white.

    Usually when someone says they have Native American ancestors but aren't sure which tribe or they come up with some math that makes them like 1/32 Native, it's complete BS. That kind of percentage doesn't give you any more right than anyone else to participate in or appropriate Native culture.

    I get that there are exceptions. Hell, my daughter is an exception -- she's 1/4 Native and I have no idea which tribe. But I doubt Johnny Depp has been raised as a participating member of Native or African American culture. His "racial roots" are exactly zero percent relevant to anything here.
  • Annie-Mae
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    This is a terrible thing to say really and the main pet peeve I have about this video.

    It IS very wrong for an obvious white man or woman to go around spout out Native American pride when their blood quantum is so low, but for tribes who have NO full blooded members anymore and being of white skin and white culture (cause we've been modernised) to be called 'not native enough' I take as an offence.

    My grandchildren and my grand nieces and nephews will know what tribe they are from, but will not get federal recognition or funding because they are below the 1/4th blood mark and not apart of a reservation. Even I, at just under the 1/4, don't get any benefits from the government for school funding or medical help and I am very aware of my culture and tribe.

    Even though, you did not intend to say it this way, what you are basically saying that the only people who are allowed to be apart of these native roles are the people who live in the reservations and are 100% full blood.

    And to call Talor a white guy with a tan, ignores the fact he had that 'tan' when he was in Shark Boy and Lava girl. No matter how distant your native relatives are, you still got the blood, and frankly if you acknowledge that and do your best to learn about your ancestors then you can become closer to who you are. Hell we don't know if Lauter and Depp actually have tried to contact their native pasts at some point, and just don't want paparazzi spewing it around just for good PR purposes.

    What we're mostly angry at here are all casting directors and producers using that small percentage of native blood to give them a reason to use the actor that fits the role, while ignoring plenty of wonderful native actors to fill the part instead (Depp is a horrible Tanto, but Laughter fits his role as good as it was expected to be and I hate having to defend that movie).

    Like "HEY It's OK, they're NATIVE ENOUGH! It's not like they have good agents or anything. No we really want you to think that we did some serious and respectful research here, and we contacted the native representatives (who we paid) to OK this movie production. We're doing the native culture good!"

    I am only upset with this whole,"just cause they're only 1/87th native, that doesn't make them a real native" hate people are giving to these actors. If the Cherokee say you're apart of their tribe with 1/100th Cherokee, then don't get mad, cause in 100 years there won't be many native American full bloods left.

    It's when Gwen Stefani gets dressed up in a head dress and allows her band mates to re-enact the Atari game "Custard's Revenge" on her, then we can get mad. But unlike Disney, No Doubt apologised and pulled the video after someone kicked in their head and told em how it was wrong to do it, rather then keep doing it and make merchandise off a bad idea.
  • Floweramon
    There's a difference between

    "I have Native American ancestry, I am aware of my tribe's history, culture, and rituals, and am painfully aware of the suffering not just my ancestors, but of the modern-day Native Americans (and most likely have suffered myself)"

    versus

    "My Grandmother said she MIGHT have very distant Native American blood. Maybe. And this tribe made me an honorary member. So yeah, I'm totally a real Native American."
  • Mousy Voice
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    Art house and westerns; Two things I never thought I could see together but actually looks interesting. Certainly impressive for a movie made by a "white man." Perhaps I should go see it.
  • Gethenian
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    There are a fair number of arhouse westerns. "The Proposition" is a good one, too.
  • soulalcatraz
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    I love that Ven is in your reviews more now. We needed more of him! :)
  • Yami Vizzini
    Good to see a new installment, especially now that I've finished watching all the rest! This definitely looks worth checking out.

    And let me just say, completely sincerely, that there is no apology necessary for the Ghost Dog rap.
  • Cassave
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    What's a Philistine?
  • helix
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    It means something like anti-intellectual
  • Gethenian
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    It's a type of hedgehog.
  • Dust
    I have no idea why, but that response made me snort water... bravo.
  • Misroi
    Holy crap! I remember seeing a trailer for this film years ago, thought it looked interesting, and then totally forgot everything about it. I thought I'd never actually figure out what it was, but now Kyle & Ven have done a whole review on it. Oh yes, this will be watched at last.
  • Captain Siberia
    How appropriate. With /The Long Ranger/ out, this movie has been on my mind quite a bit. It's amusing that Johnny Depp should play Tonto after having been called "stupid fucking white man" by an actual Native American actor.

    Video and audio WAY out of sync in places.

    "Orange is the New Black" is a terrible snowclone title.

    Ah yes. Stupid fucking white man.

    Good review. Very good. Love the analysis.
  • 12th
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    Nice. I should get around to watching this. I have to be in the mood for Jarmusch's films, but I had never really considered this one.

    Honestly, if we're going to look to explain Depp's Tonto in The Lone Ranger, we really don't have to look beyond two influences: Disney and Jerry Bruckheimer. The whole thing was probably to make lightning strike twice on the Pirates of the Caribbean chemistry of Jack Sparrow. I won't say I'm absolving Depp of weirdness in Lone Ranger, but hell... sometimes you just shut up and do what the studio says and cash a paycheck.
  • Cirrra
    Cool. Very nice. I picked up this movie from the college library completely blind (except for Johnny Depp), just for something to watch. No real expectations, I guess.

    After being confused for the first part with the travel and blowjob in the alley and "no job" and then him getting shot by a jealous other guy (where could this possibly be going?)...I became more interested when Nobody came into the scenes and I watched the rest and...um...meditated is a good word, actually.

    I didn't get nearly as much out of it as Kyle presents here, but I remember the humor, I remember the assimilation irony of Nobody being the only one knowing any English poetry, and I really liked Nobody and was content to watch the rest of the journey even though I'd figured out by then that it wasn't "going" anywhere. Made it all the way to the end and decided I liked it--and I still remember all those clips you showed 15 years later after having only watched it once.

    God, I love Sherman Alexie's writing...he directed "Smoke Signals"?? Why haven't I watched it yet??
  • Gethenian
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    Smoke Signals is on Netflix. I ADORE the movie and wholeheartedly recommend it. ^_^
  • BigBlackHatMan
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    I was glad to you see take on this movie. I have enjoyed for a number of years, and I admit that it was mostly the humor I enjoyed. The journey is a very nice and kept me interested, but I just don't have the film training to get all the details out of this. I was glad to hear someone with a good film background give an opinion on it.

    I noticed a great deal of the talk was about Native Americans in the comments. I must say that the person who first recommended this film to me was Lakota. He thought it was great. He also introduced myself and a few friends to Smoke Signals as well. Great work on this sir.
  • Vash3001
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    Fuck you.
  • klöä
    and you.
  • Tirade
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    This is one of those movies that I rewatched numerous times, finding something new every time.

    Although, to be fair, I only got into it because of the soundtrack. While I had no idea that it was Neil Young, I could tell that it was genuinely written/performed to the scenes. As a musician, it was downright inspiring to hear that kind of honest noodling that worked so well.
  • FRSpro
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    so is it safe to talk about Crispin Glover again?
  • Gethenian
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    It is never safe to talk about Crispy Glovebox.
  • Lan
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    Sometimes you just have to let it go. If the actual people involved are fine with it, being offended for them comes off as dumb.

    Anyways, like 'Last Air Bender' the movie fails on a more basic level anyways.
  • chromesthesia
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    http://www.isuma.tv/ atanarjuat Could you watch this and review it? It's an all Inuit movie. I didn't even know it was a trilogy. All in Inuit. Frigging cool. I'll have to watch the next two this weekend.
  • deluxe  - Please Consider
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    Kyle can you please display an explicit warning for whenever you decide to/feel somehow obligated to include that sloppy, overweight dude who is always a complete ham, both in appearance and as an actor? It's quite startling to have the screen suddenly hit maximum capacity as his moon-like head (pale, round, covered in craters, and often sickly hypnotizing) swells within me tides of revulsion. I am sure he's an extremely nice guy, but wow what a cheese ball. Pleasssse do not make him an even more visible or reoccurring character.
  • whirling hall of knives  - Jingle jangle jingle
    If psychedelic means mind-revealing then I don't see the term applying to this movie any more than it does to a drug like LSD when said substance garbles transmissions between senses and the brain so that people taking it can let their pattern recognition skills find pretty imagery in the static, as though they were viewing some kind of nervous Magic Eye puzzle.
    "Look, a pony!"
    Blake has lots of weird characters revealed to him. Who knows how meaningful it all should be? Is it supposed to be like the Tibetan Book of the Dead? Is it only amusingly random?
    All I can say for certain is that I like it when people recite verse in a John Wayne voice, unless they're Robin Williams.
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