i hate transformers xD
good job man

Transformers 2 Hang on a second:
When Shia find the piece of the all-spark in his old clothes: you expect me to believe in all that running and jumping around that one piece of the all-spark fell into Shia's clothes and was never discovered until he leaves for college?

Optimus gives the one remaining piece of the all-spark to the U.S Military, but doesn't bother to revive Jazz. We know that the all-spark can be used to bring back dead transformers because it creates life. So, why not use it to revive the second in command Optimus? Furthermore, Optimus doesn't bother to post transformer guards at the location of the piece of the all-spark, or the Terrential Abyss, where Megatron is.

Speaking of Megatron; The U.S government drops Megatron's entire body into the Abyss. They don't dismantle Megatron and throw him into the abyss, but just throw him in it. He doesn't even look that bad when they drop him in the first movie.

The piece of the all-spark that Shia has, has the ability to create transformers, we saw this at the beginning of the movie. And Optimus dies when Shia and Megan Fox are together. She has the piece of the all-spark with her. Why don't they just use it to revive Optimus instead of creating a ridiculous sub-plot about (groans) the matrix?

That building in the canyon was already used in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

That probing device is a rip-off of the matrix.

If the matrix is earned and not given; why doesn't it fall to dust when the Fallen uses it?

Shia gets shot with the all-spark information; however, we only see this mental break-down twice and even then the only thing that leads up to is Shia reading an entire text-book so he could tell us that Orion's Belt was once called The Three Kings.

Why would the Primes create a cage of their own bodies when they could either destroy the matrix, or gang up on the fallen. Only a prime can defeat the fallen; there were seven of them.

Bumble-bee had a voice at the very end of the first movie. Yes, that was his own voice, not the radio talking. In the second movie, no voice. Why? Well according to Megan Fox, " He still having voice problems?" That's lame.

Shia's dialogue. He gets these ten minute rambles that are made up of, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa." His dialogue also includes these really stupid explanations and he acts like a complete idiot.

When Megan is saying goodybye to Shia the camera spins 360 degreese for about two minutes. (as the camera spins) " You say it." "No, you say it." "No, you say it." I nearly got motion sickness.

For Transformers the origional movie; Hang on a second

If Shia had just given Optimus the glasses while they were being chased by the sector seven guys. They could have sped away and bumblebee would never have been captured. Maybe if...

I have to say WORD to the above post by BaltoStephenWinters, couldn't agree more, except for the following comment, which made me frown:

BaltoStephenWinters wrote: "That building in the canyon was already used in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade."

Oh dear. "That Building" is called Al Khazneh ("The Treasury"), the most well-known and most photographied among the rock-cut tombs and temples of Petra in Jordan. Petra has been a UNESCO World Heritage Site since 1985 and is Jordan's biggest tourist attraction.

The city of Petra (the Greek word meaning "rock") was established in the 6th century B.C. as the capital city of the Nabataeans. The Ancient Egyptians called it Sela. It is situated on the slope of Mount Hor, in the Wadi Araba, a large river valley running from the Dead Sea to the Gulf of Aqaba, and also mentioned in the Bible.

The city's buildings were cut directly from the multicoloured sandstone walls of the valley, and the city, back when it was inhabited, controlled the main commercial caravan trade routes which passed through it to Gaza in the west, to Bosra and Damascus in the north, to Aqaba and Leuce Come on the Red Sea, and across the desert to the Persian Gulf.

The main entrance to the valley on one side is a narrow gorge called al-Siq, a geological fissure created by tectonic forces. It is in some places only three meters wide and winds it's way between steep walls that are between 91–182 meters (300–600 feet) high.

The valley's river is a perennial stream that suffers flash floods during the rainy season, but there have also always been long periods of drought in the region. The Nabateans created an artificial oasis by damming the river and collecting the waters in cisterns, enabling a city to survive in the middle of the desert.

The city came under Roman rule around 106 A.D. (the Roman called it Arabia Petraea), but declined during that time due to shifting of trade routes away from it. In 363 A.D. an earthquake damaged many buildings and the vital water management system, and the city fell into ruin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Petra
http://www.soleytours.ch/ gallery/soleytours/ jordanien/jordanien- petra-felsen.jpg

The most absurd thing in Transformers 2 is not just that the protagonists travel from the Great Pyramids of Giza near Cairo in northern Egypt to Petra in Jordan by car in the space of *one night*, but that Michael Bay completely ignored the fact that if you take an overland route from Egypt to Jordan you have to pass through Israel! Egypt and Jordan almost touch but share no land border, because the borders of southern Israel drive a wedge between the two countries so that Israel would have access to the Gulf of Aqaba in the Red Sea via the port town of Eilat.

http:// upload.wikimedia.org/ wikipedia/commons/5/54/ Middle_east_graphic_2003. jpg

Am I the only one who noticed that the movie has scenes that are cut in the wrong order?

During the travel from the pyramids (in Egypt) to "the resting place of the Matrix" in Petra (in Jordan) the sequence of events makes no sense.

It's morning, they get into a car, they drive away from the pyramids, they arrive at a border checkpoint (see above, Egypt has no land border with Jordan, unless Israel vanished off the face of the Earth overnight)... then WHAM it's night and they're suddenly BACK AT THE PYRAMIDS, talking, and "the next day" they're entering Petra. WTH? It would make more sense if the night scene happened when they were still at the pyramids, *before* they leave to find the Matrix, *then* they drive east and arrive at Petra.

Someone must've switches scenes around in the cutting room and no-one noticed? Proof that the movie's plot was so random and chaotic even the people who made it lost track. Or figured, what the hell, the audience are idiots, they'll never notice.

Once they have the Matrix, they are suddenly back at the pyamids just in time for the Big End Fight. Traveling at the speed of plot, indeed. Bleh.

All your points ironically do have logic to it, not my fault you can't think at all:

1: Optimus & the Autobots know nothing of it's revival powers. I don't know what you were watching but it is even spoken in the sequel that he needed parts, thus they destroy that large Decepticon during the revival process. All for the Doctor's revival process.

3: They are dumb teenagers. They know nothing of the All Spark

4: Well, the Fallen is a Prime. He doesn't have to deserve anything when he is a Prime. He is entitled to the Matrix based on his own entitlement, unlike the human Sam kid. Did you pay attention to anything?

5: They were to weak compared to the Fallen. Did you really not pay attention to any of the plots???

I really can't answer anything else. It certainly did wrong things in the sequel, but they actually did fill in alot of your whining supposed plotholes. You remind me of that nerd that has videos here, logic somehow isn't even followed in RotF by it's whiners. The logic is right their in the film!!! Try paying attention.

Exactly the same i was thinking about the two movies.

The first one was surprisingly entertaining, considering it was made by Michael Bay. The second one was really really awful.

At least in the first movie you could kinda follow the plot. I could barely hear any of the plot or dialogue over all the freaking explosions in the second movie.

Y'know, I figured the whole "Megatron doesn't turn into a gun" thing is due to Hasbro and Law. It's my understanding at some point laws were bought in which imposed limits and such on toy guns - which is why they now have the plastic caps on the end.

Meg's redesign in recent years seems to be a way of getting around that.

Also, Bay went out and said he didn't want Size Shifting - a similair reason to why Soundwave doesn't turn into a Tape Player in the movies.

And yes, ROTF was unfiltered shite, but the first one wasn't that bad. Passable, but not terrible.

The size shifting thing kind of went out the window with the Allspark though, so it could have been in there and I doubt many would have cared, especially when you see what Bay pulled out his ass for the second flick.

This was pretty much the notes I had from TF Wiki I memorised to note down here.

Still, I do see where your coming from. While there is no explination (that I can find), I chalk it up to "Because the plot says so".

And yes, I am one of the unforunate people who went and saw Revenge of the Fallen in the cinema. It remains the only movie to this day that has incited RAGE immediately after watching it.

Call me batshit insane - please do - but, um... I actually sortof enjoyed Transformers 2.

*GASP!*

There might have been a bagillion plot holes, but while the first movie is no doubt better written, I had more fun watching the second movie despite the enivitable mind numbingly pointless jokes you're bound to get along with a Michael Bay movie.

The first movie was written horribly, and acted horribly, paced horribly, and played out like a high budget Disney channel movie with giant robots, out of place action and tits. The second one was just a thousand times worse.

But we're just beating a dead horse at this point.

I actually had to fight not to fall asleep during the second movie, because the movie was so mindnumbingly BORING. Between all those goddamn explosions and stupid action scenes and even stupider dialogues and characters, the movie was really really dull. And illogical.

I mist admit saw both movies in theaters. The first movie... well, my husband was a fan of Transformers as a kid, so we went. I should add that while I knew that Transformers are these giant robots that change into cars and planes, I had no preconceived notions or nostalgia to destroy. I can't even remember much of the first movie, but I think I was mildly entertained.

As for the second movie, we had heard it was disastrous and stupid, but we still went, simply we couldn't believe it would be *that* bad. Oh boy.

I have not seen Transformers 2, but I can't imagie it beeing worse than the first. It is not possible!

Mike, when are you going to get back to Shameful Sequels? I mean, these Hang on a Second's are cool, but myself and everybody here just loves Shameful Sequels. I know Baby Geniuses 2 was the bottom of the shit heap in terms of sequels, but now there's nowhere to go but up. In case you're curious, here are some outright shameful sequels who need a damn good thrashing:

Daddy Day Camp
Porky's II: The Next Day
Flintstones in Viva Rock Vegas (a Pathetic Prequel)
Grease 2
Teen Wolf 2
Godfather III
Weekend at Bernie's II
Blues Brothers 2000
Caddyshack II
National Lampoon's European Vacation
Staying Alive.

I enjoyed the music in Blues Bros. 2000, may not be a patch on the original but it was still entertaining musically.

Agreed... But Godfather III? Careful there. Should Mike do that he'd be very brave as Godfather(s) are considered cinematic classics.

"Meg's redesign in recent years seems to be a way of getting around that."

Except that it wasn't "in recent years". This happened as long ago as Generation 2- the wave of toys that shortly followed the very first run of Transformers- and LONG before Michael Bay ever had wet dreams about acquiring and directing the license.

They had Megatron transforming into a tank at that time- sensible since, well, it's a big gun on wheels (and you may note this is his alt-mode in the second film). Since then he's been a number of things other than a gun- and none of it was Bay's idea- it all well-proceeded him and was, as such, well-established in the universe.

The decision in the movie was to avoid a convention of the early universe known by the fans as "mass-shifting"- where a Transformer radically changes his overall mass between robot and alt-modes. This covers not only the giant Megatron turning into a little gun, but a lot of other classic Transformers such as Soundwave, Blaster, the Insecticons, and so on.

This would have been true of Frenzy (the little CD player robot you see in the first film) as well- originally his alt-mode was that of a mini-cassette tape, and in the original G1 run he transformed into a robot that was something like 12-feet tall or so.

It's a little hard to swallow from a Physics perspective (things might change shape, but they can't alter their overall mass- it must GO somewhere), and so- figuring they were making a live-action film, part of the purpose of which was to portray things realistically as possible, they nixed the idea of mass-shifting- and not just with Megatron either.

Fortunately they had years of material that had come before them to base this decision on.

Not saying that any of this makes Bay's treatment of the film genius or anything, just that- well, lets blame Bay for the ideas he had and not ideas that have been long existent in the property before him.

Then again, complaints about Lack-of-Classic-Altmodes/ Addition-of-New-Altmodes isn't exactly new in the franchise either, and of all complaints made of the films, this one most reminds me of "Trukk-Not-Munky"- from the Beast Wars era.

the only good tf movie they've released so far came out in 1986- end of

its a shame because if you cut out all of the racism, toilet humour, sex humour and plots that go nowhere you'd end up with a decent movie about transformers. made for some cool toys too

The first one wasn't all bad. While it had a fair few of the negative traits of the second film - and Bays films prior to that - they were dialled down a lot and the plot was somewhat coherant.
The second on the other hand was rushed as hell and it shows - gaping plot holes, too much unfunny humour and comic relief "characters", too many robots with not enough to distinguish them as characters, poor characters throughout, badly framed action, overlong, riddled with errors and ill judged scenes (robot heaven???). The only plus were the effects, and even they were obscured much of the time with terrible framing.

Yeah, Bayformers 1 was okay (too many Squishy humans), ROTF was lamer (Confusing plot, racist twin robots and lame death for Prime).

Oh well.

This film was absolutely dreadful. No likeable characters, no funny jokes, no plotlines you could possibly give two shits about and confusing action scenes you can't possibly follow/care about. Not to mention the ghastly running time; beyond two hours for a mindless disposable action flick? Seriously?

I can't believe the sequel is supposed to be as big a downgrade as it is; pretty sure I'll never be watching it :P

Does this mean we can expect a Shameful Sequels video for TF2?

i dont think the core of the second one was bad at all. it was all that little annoying shit he put in there.

but i think the third one will be significantly better.

Sure Transformers 1 and 2 were crap, but I still enjoyed watching them, and equally enjoy bashing them. They are silly and over the top, but they could have been much worse. I'm surprised they even exist in the first place. I'll see the 3rd as well. I don't expect anything great, just good fun.

I'm actually hopeful that when the 3rd is done, it will pave the way for someone else to take over and reimagine it.

The biggest turn-off of Transformers 2: RotF for me was it had TOO MANY GODDAMN COMIC RELIEF CHARACTERS! Seriously, there were more comic relief characters than protagonists there! That's a sure sign in my eyes that something was amiss. Between all the explosions and the one-dimensional characters and plot-induced stupidity, the script writers probably felt something was lacking and tried to "fix" it by adding more unnessessary slapstick humour. *groan*

The racism was not as blatant in the German dub. Same with the Star Wars prequels. I only got the full pain when I was watching those in English.

Mike you're right. The first Tranfornmers isn't all that bad. You can pretty much watch the movie and make a list of cool/not-cool things and both side end up about even, so it's tolerable. But Revenge of the Stupid... let's just say there's going to be a lot more checks on the 'not-cool' side.

When the First Transformers is compared to the second, it is indeed the superior film.
There are a ton of things I have wrong with Transformers 2, but the number one this would be the very very Sexist University, and Professor(s?) at the school that Sam attends. Like how is that one professor still teaching there even?

Liked your comment on the 'Armageddon' quote from the movie. :D Way to pat yourself on the back Mr. Bay.

I pretty much won;t watch anything about robots (unless it's from the 80s), but I'm curious about what made the first movie popular & what made the 2ed loathed.

I've apparently also been blessed with never having seen a Micheal Bay film, so I'm curious about what his cliches are & how he became more hated that Uwe Boll.

The battle from the first movie, despite happening in a major city was covered up by the government.

Too many characters without names (some don't speak or do anything at all). I would have never known Chromia or Aelita 1 were in RotF if I hadn't looked it up.

Marines fighting giant robots with small arms.

Skidz, Mudflap, and Wheelie.

Robot heaven.

John Turturro's ass.

Devastator's "enemy scrotum" where there are 2 giant wrecking balls banging against each other.

The Fallen not killing everyone even though he was right there in their faces.

The final battle with The Fallen took all of 13 seconds (I counted).

Even though they got the original voice actor of Soundwave they didn't have the original voice of Soundwave. That's more a personal thing.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.

LOL, well, apparently that University Professor thing is more of a parody of one of Michael Bay's own University professors from his day.

Before Transformers my view of Michael Bay was very low, so I was floored when I saw Transformers actually wasn't bad at all. It was even kind of epic, and added some good stuff to the franchise (ie. the hacker robot). The type of Transformers movie I initially expected from Bay was more like Transformers 2, a boring mess of bad ideas (ie. the seductress robot).

Personally I would've much preferred to see the movie focus on Josh Duhamel's soldier character than the sitcom antics of a suburban family.

Something that annoyed me with both movies was how the big Decepticons all had the similar bestial, jagged design and same color scheme which made them difficult to tell apart from each much of the time. Is Optimus fighting Megatron? Oh, it was just some random Decepticon. Is that Megatron in there now?

Hang on a second. 1986 there was a movie that had the touch and it had the power. It was called The Transformers: The Movie. Even if you were saying that this movie was the only decent (Bay)Transformers movie, say it on the home page. I internally nerd raged when I saw that on the front page.

Besides that thanks for making a review that is two years too late. We know... you didn't bring anything to light. 1:26 I will never get back.

Transformers the Movie from 1986 was awesome and far superior to any Bayformer. Still Bayformer from 2007 was decent. At this year we find out does Bay succeed with third one titled Dark of the Moon.

I expected this to be a rant about plotholes in the movie. I was disappointed.

I saw Transformers 2 not too long ago, I see why Michael Bay even issued an apology to those who saw it--I shit you not, read it here http:// www.reelzchannel.com/ movie-news/6829/michael- bay-apologizes-for- transformers-2-promises- a-better-transformers-3/

i honestly think people say it's shit becuz everyone else does