Renegade Cut - Respect for George Lucas

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  • Mild Man-Nerd  - thank you
    i'm glad you did this. ill be honest, all the blind hatred directed towards lucas almost makes me ashamed to count myself among star wars fans. ive always found it to be the great irony how his biggest fans are the ones who hate him the most.
  • Amykins
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    It's not blind, it's completely justified. If you STILL are so willing to respect and praise Lucas without question, you're not a true Star Wars fan. Period. I adore American Graffiti, but people have to understand that his early works were a success because he didn't have full creative control. The reason his movies have sucked since the original trilogy is because no one's able to say "no" to his bad ideas anymore.
  • Kevin.P.Edwards
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    Agreed. I'd like to just throw in that this is not a uncommon trait. Many directors are great when they are working in a constrained environment, but if they are given complete control are just awful.

    Also, the reason I think many people take their dissatisfaction with Lucas to a higher level is that it's pretty clear, at least in my opinion, that he never really liked Star Wars. I think, just like Alex Guinness, he resents being known for something he thinks is below him.
  • Mild Man-Nerd
    ...but just for the record, i fully acknowledge Lucas' flaws as a director. He was overly ambitious as well as out of touch with what people liked so much about the movies. I acknowledge his flaws, but that doesn't mean that i think he's the Beelzebub of cinema, but rather just a guy who fucked up.
  • Cazychel  - True..
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    But sadly people are rarely able to differentiate between disappointment and hate - or rather try to fill the void the former left with the latter.

    Simply put: George Lucas defined a generation or even generations. Star Wars and Indiana Jones are so big, so massive in our pop culture, even today. And this truly no one can take from him.
    And I know people who genuinely like the Star Wars Prequels - and, sad to say, even think they are better than the original trilogy, because of flashy "cool-omfg-uber" light saber choreography. (Though I know of no one, who likes Indy 4...)
  • Mild Man-Nerd
    I like Indy 4...and im not backing down from that.
  • ShadowAlex
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    I actually liked it too. I also liked Temple of Doom even though everyone else hates it.
  • ThatGuyWithTheThreeHeads  - Thank you!
    Very necessary, because well-pondered review. Unfortunately, mass effect, immediate and virtual communication very loosely engages reflection among the internet community, and even worse - respect for a man's history, as famous and influential as he might be...

    To me, George Lucas deserves not only respect for his creative youth, but also commisation for his elderly self-destruction. Think about it: by the the constant "remasterizations" that he began in the 2000's, the man himself has tend to destroy in his own creation so many elements that used to appeal the audience when they appeared, , and not only on Star Wars but ALSO on THX 1138, adding robots, car chases, mutant monkeys and other trendy flashy filth that tarnished the godardian simplicity of his photography ("Alphaville", anyone?). And correct me if I'm mistaken, but ONLY the altered versions are now (legally) available on commerce.

    Will he at last complete at last his artistic suicide with a "director's cut" of "American graffiti" with CGI 3-D zombies or Ewoks?
  • LessAshamed
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    Another very well written piece Leon. I've always felt this way about people's reactions to Lucas. Very much looking forward to your videos when they come out... but I'm not going to lie, they really don't need to be videos at this point.

    Apart from a few text overlays or a few scene-specific moments, the footage frequently has little to do with what you're talking about. It's not like we need green screen and explosions, but to be honest, even something like the use of stills or a presentation gimmick would be very welcomed. I'm going to be honest, when you went over the remakes/sequels from Asylum recently I was both surprised and disappointed you didn't do a 'final count' shot.

    It's just not the best use of the medium, and that's a shame, because there are plenty of people that would do anything for a video platform like the one you have. Still, I'll keep watching because the writing is very good.
  • Aardvark
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    The biggest hater of George Lucas' work is George Lucas. We are just saying his highly acclaimed work is awesome it doesn't need to be modified.
  • DerKork
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    My personal view on the "George Lucas raped my childhood"-statement is that it is partially hyperbole. The negative connotation regarding Mr. Lucas stems from the problem that his constant revisionism on his financially most successful franchise is combined with the fact that previous interpretations of said work are virtually impossible to find on current generation media (DVD or Blu-Ray). It's as if - and please excuse the entirely impossible aspects of this - Leonardo Da Vinci went to the Louvre and painted a moustache on the Mona Lisa.

    SO the problem is that the author's vision on the original Star Wars trilogy (which only was expanded to a trilogy due to the financial success of Star Wars, later dubbed "Episode IV - A New Hope", in itself a minor form of revisionism) has changed, but the audience's hasn't.
    And here we are at the old question: Is the author's interpretation of a work the only one that's right? Or is the audience free to come to its own, potentially different conclusions?

    Well, George Lucas has made it clear that only his views (as of the date Lucasfilm does a rerelease with edited content) are the correct ones and that any other interpretation - even in licensed works - can be null and void in a whim.

    So, back to my starting point: George Lucas cannot go back in time and rape your childhood. But he can destroy your childhood memories... Well, those based on your love for Star Wars by radically changing what you loved. All that is left of it are your memories.

    tl;dr-version: George Lucas didn't rape your childhood, but he makes what you loved as a child change every time his vision of it changes without offering you a chance to experience it as you did back then and share that with your family.

    So yes, it's pretty much what TheGuyWithTheThreeHeads said, but I felt I should express these difficulties myself. After all, I'm a guy with an opinion.
  • octo7
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    Fuck George Lucas, and anyone who defends his practices is a detriment to both art and culture.
  • ohe
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    Fuck "art" and "culture". Those are apparently detrimental to freedom of expression.
  • octo7
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    You realise what you just said is the complete opposite of the truth, right?
  • Blizz3112
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    American Graffiti isn't THE coming of age movie... Its mostly focused on the American youth, and therefore a coming of age movie for Americans mostly. There is other work made in different countries that have equal emotional value towards growing up for their own nationality.

    I still watch the prequels, since they are still enjoyable if you ignore all the bad stuff. Still, I also like to mention that a lot of his previous work on Star Wars had a lot of people working TOGETHER on the project (actors and crew making their own marks on the work and such). So, saying its ALL George Lucas making it a great movie, is a long stretch.
  • ThatGuyWithTheThreeHeads  - Addendum:
    one last quick word:

    For me, the main problem with Lucas isn't the midi-chloridians, Jar-Jar Binks or Indiana Jones' fridge, fanboys will kill their father and will forget them.

    But ultimately, by his destructive remasterizations he's not only hurting films that we admired, but also depriving the posterity of discovering them in their original, timeless and unspoiled version. If it wasn't for their illegal internet preservation, of course. But how long will it last?
  • ohe
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    The thing is, the originals haven't gone anywhere. I've still got mine in mint VHS copies, with commercial breaks carefully cut away, and several digital copies for good measure. I understand there's also at least some official DVD releases floating around. There's only a single Mona Lisa out there, does that mean Da Vinci was worse of an artist than van Gogh?

    What you're demanding is that if a guy releases anything to the public that then gets some recognition, he's required to personally make sure that this one thing is carefully preserved for ever and ever. That's your job, museum guy.
  • DerKork
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    I have the feeling that you are referring to my (admittedly bad) analogy. Yes, there is only one Mona Lisa as there is only one "Night Café".

    And yes, copies (or to stick to that stupid analogy - posters) of the original still exist, usually on "not-the-best" media, like VHS or glossy photo paper.

    And I'm not saying he has to keep the work untouched, but that (and this is where the analogy ultimately breaks, because there can be only one Mona Lisa but multiple identical copies - or to use movie lingo: prints - of Star Wars) the access to all of the versions (and yes, I mean as in "to purchase from any kind of store") should be possible.

    And George Lucas is (in your analogy) both the artist AND the curator - or at least the museum's supervisor.

    I thought up a completely different analogy, but I think the one already in existance is kind of sufficient.
  • Omi-san
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    I was not aware that Lucas had also altered THX 1138. What an hopeless idiot.
  • STRAKER
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    To be fair, for the most part his alterations to THX were pretty decent minus the "Episode 1 pod race" styled car chase towards the end. That stood out so badly but the other additions I thought were not so obtrusive.
  • Zeraph
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    A defense for a man whose later years have been dedicated to show that he doesn't hold his earlier and far more interesting work in any kind of high regards and will take every opportunity to alter the original vision just to alter it more or less...

    The thing about getting judged by your latest work is nothing specially dishonest either... If you wrote a stunning, gripping piece about the starving poor twenty years ago but haven't done anything of note for twenty years after that it'll color the image of that persons work. That's just a fact, because what stays fresh in peoples memories? The rigorous marketing from the new releases of course, because that's what the entire industry's economic growth comes from, new products. Because even though the old products may still be distributed they'd still prefer you to finance the stuff which the studios did a gamble on... Even though film-making is an art-form it's still very tightly knitted into other industries because of the enormous collaboration it takes to make just one film. So analyzing it just by the works themselves is very superficial and doesn't show the root of the derision Lucas has summoned of late.
  • GBelly
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    Every single image is so dense. There is so much going on...
  • flamingoman
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    Fuck you Rick Berman, you ruined this too, stop ruining, wait a minute that ain't Rick Berman.... what is it with Ricks?
  • Kurvos
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    ... so you feel the need to do like every single other reviewer on TGWTG does, and say that the Star Wars prequels ARE bad as it's a statement you can not disagree on - it's coldheart fact? Fuck you.
  • CommonThinking123
    Oh kurvos, you whinny little bitch you, fuck you and your obsession with Star Wars and go and have sex with your cat

    http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=0ZuGiUe2HRI
  • Extreme-Madness  - re:CommonThinking123
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    LOL That explains a lot!
  • theseventhdoctor
    Maybe if he disagreed he would say so. He's allowed to have his opinion whether it agrees with popular consensus or not.
  • Leon Thomas
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    Of course you can disagree. Go right ahead. Who said you couldn't?

    There is absolutely no reason for a personal insult like that. The video was not personal at all and attacked noone. Also, why take the ONE negative thing I said about George Lucas in the entire video and blow it out of proportion? I spent nearly the entire video praising him. There is far more to it than black and white.

    Only a Sith deals in absolutes. :) Take it easy.
  • Welshy
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    Leon, I wouldn't EVER try and make sense out of anything Kurvos says. In one of my videos I compared my excitement to Scream 4 coming out as the Star Wars fans exitment to Episode 1 coming out and in his tiny little mind, he saw that as me attacking the prequels, posted on my video, posted on twitter, then came back months later to bring it up again and proceeded to bash me all over his deviantart (I'm now apparently on a list of people he hates) So yeah, never EVER try to explain to Kurvos that you have your own thoughts and opinions that don't effect him. He wouldn't be able to process it ;)
  • Kurvos
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    Welshy - you are acting evil. Can't you realize that? I apologized to you as properly as I have ever done to anyone. What did you do? You continued to bash me. You only look at me as something not even human - just a worthless tool you can use as a punching bag. You keep on looking up my comments. You think of me as someone just being grumpy and thickheaded who only tries to make people angry.
    I have problems, Welshy. I have a lot of flaws I am working on. And guess what? I can not always handle them the right way. I actually feel sad a lot of times for repeating my mistakes. And it doesn't help at all when someone like you acts and talks to me like you want to plead me to commit suicide. You don't look at me as a person or a human being - you look at me as an opportunity to bully someone. I've been bullied all my life, so I should know.

    You might say it's no surprise to you if I don't have any friends? Well, guess what, Welshy? That might also be the reason why I have a hard time to understand how to act among others. Especially since I have Asperger's Syndrome, it makes it very hard for me. I hate to blame things on my diagnosis - but I am just trying to explain.
    I am a sensetive person, Welshy. Why do I spend time on the web then, you ask? Because that's the only way for me to socialize on. I am all alone, Welshy. I don't know if you know how that feels or not - but I suffer for it. On top of everything - I have problems with my sleep as well. That affects my emotions.

    You might wonder considering this comment I made here in particular? Okay, so maybe I was harsh and rude. I can more than well apologize to Leon Thomas for that. But I also did it because I've been through years now of prequel haters ganging up on me and pushing me down for loving the prequels.
    Do you know how it made me feel when you felt the need to bring me down even more by referring to a embarrassing video I did years ago and have tried to get rid of with no luck? Do you know how it made me feel to hear you say I am not allowed to have my own opinion? That's what I've been hearing all my life from people, and that is what has been pushing me down. Can you please TRY to understand that?

    I don't know how to handle things. But I really do try. But all this has resulted in so far is me crying and feeling sad, and having suicidal thoughts. Yes, I am that sensetive - I can not help it. You've been saying you hate that I "share my suffering" online - but you seem so determined to go on with pushing me down, so I feel like I need to explain it.
    But you know... I can already assume you will not understand. You will just keep on insulting me. You will probably even send out people to push me down further, and talk about me in yet another video. You hate me and you think I deserve to die - I can not affect that. You want me to just vanish so you will have something to laugh at in the future and look back on sa...
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  • Ken Moss
    THE SPERG CARD HAS BEEN PLAYED. Cry me a river you fat fucking baby.
  • Welshy
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    I think it only fair I respond, although this is in no way an attempt to bash you or bait you. Also dude, a lot of your message didn't appear so I don't know how much you ended up writing so I'll address what I can. It's a shame we have to do this here seeing as you've shelled yourself in on deviantart and won't allow me to say my piece there while continuing to write about me, but be that as it may. I also find it interesting that, given your wall of text, NOTHING in it is what I commented, instead its a message of being the victim while the big bad internet person bullies you. Fun fact, everything I said in my post was true, not exaggerated and it would be interesting if you could address that instead of writing a sob story and making up accusations on my behalf.

    "I apologized to you as properly as I have ever done to anyone."

    You apologised and I moved on and then months later in my Casino Royale review, you brought the matter up again after I'd completely forgotten about you and then continued to bring it up, rehashing a lot of what you've written here. Everyone has problems dude, it doesn't excuse rude, obsessive behaviour.

    "You continued to bash me. You only look at me as something not even human - just a worthless tool you can use as a punching bag."

    Correction, I see you as a joke because you take your own opinion above all others and will be incredibly rude to people who don't share you views. ANY TIME someone dislikes something you like you go on the attack when you're not even referenced. I've taken to including you in certain forms but I'm clearly not the first given the videos on you tube featuring you, which tells me you're behaviour here isn't anything new.

    "You think of me as someone just being grumpy and thick headed who only tries to make people angry."

    Nope, I see an overly sensitive individual who needs to understand that everyone on the internet and in real life is different with different views and ideals and just because someone dislikes something you, yourself might like, is no reflection on what they think of you, yet you feel the need (as you did above) to tell Leon "Fuck you" just because he doesn't like the prequels. He said nothing to you, there was no reference too you, and yet you responded as if he had attacked you personally. You keep on claiming that "you get it" and you "will try harder" but a few weeks/months later you're back as you were. The videos on YT were made in 2004 which says you've been behaving in this manor for nearly 10 years and there comes a time when you need to grow up.
  • Welshy
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    "I have problems, Welshy. I have a lot of flaws I am working on."

    As do I, as does every single person in the world. It doesn't excuse your behaviour.

    "And it doesn't help at all when someone like you acts and talks to me like you want to plead me to commit suicide."

    If you can find any instance where I've told you to commit suicide I will gladly retract the statement. I fail to see how writing "never EVER try to explain to Kurvos that you have your own thoughts and opinions that don't effect him. He wouldn't be able to process it" translated into "I secretly want Kurvos to commit suicide because I'm an evil person, ha ha ha!"


    "You don't look at me as a person or a human being - you look at me as an opportunity to bully someone. I've been bullied all my life, so I should know."

    Please don't act like you know what I'm thinking and please stop playing the victim.

    "I am a sensetive person, Welshy."

    If you can tell people "Fuck you" then you have to learn to except it when people talk back. I'm not a smart man son, but I didn't ask if you were sensitive, I fail to see how this has any baring on the conversation, other than to create an image for yourself where you are the victim, yet earlier you came in, balls to the floor shouting the odds because someone disliked something you do. It doesn't work both ways mate, you can't post a comment telling someone FUCK YOU and then play the sensitive card.

    "Why do I spend time on the web then, you ask?"

    I didn't ask.

    "You might wonder considering this comment I made here in particular? Okay, so maybe I was harsh and rude. I can more than well apologize to Leon Thomas for that. But I also did it because I've been through years now of prequel haters ganging up on me and pushing me down for loving the prequels."

    Great, so those people who put you down, talk to them. Not anonymous strangers who don't address you in any way shape or form. You harp on about opinions, but when people express their opinions and state why you attack and then run off to your little cave. It should be noted, once again, that you were rude to me JUST because I compared my excitement to the Episode 1 fans for the Scream 4 release. There was no call for your attitude, nor was there a need to then message me on Twitter. You listened to something I said and then attacked with no case for it. If you react this way EVERY time someone says they dislike the films then there is a damn good reason why you probably don't have any real life friends and spinning me a sob story isn't going to solve the problem and continuing to attack people just for saying they don't like them won't solve it either.
  • Welshy
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    "But you know... I can already assume you will not understand. You will just keep on insulting me. You will probably even send out people to push me down further, and talk about me in yet another video."

    Uh dude, I have better things to do with my life than organise internet mobs to hunt people down. I didn't make those videos about you on-line, I have no idea who did, but ask yourself this, if you can piss off enough people that they will take the time to make those things, what does that say about you. Maybe if you stopped making excuses and stopped blaming everyone else around you for wishing things on you that, in my case, aren't there, maybe you could start doing something productive instead of attacking anyone who dislikes something you do. If someone amuses me, I take a shot at them in a video. That is my general rule. Video producing to me is a hobby, I don't obsess over it, I don't think about it when I'm in work or with my friends. So once again, please stop playing the victim and please stop assuming all sorts about me.

    "You hate me and you think I deserve to die - I can not affect that."

    You're also imagining scenarios in your own head. I know you'll go off to your deviant art and paint a nice bleak negative picture of me, with yourself as the poor misunderstood individual, but quite frankly, it couldn't be more obvious that I'm not the one at fault here. This whole post is full of information that wasn't needed, you've continued to mention me in your deviant art and I'm on a list of people you hate. Hell, BlockBusterBuster is on that list...and why? Because he dislikes Episode 1. Proof enough that your incessant sperg whining is all your own doing so please, stop looking at what I write and say and try finding a hidden message. I think you're an idiot, I've said that frankly and honestly. I don't like you, I've said that frankly and honestly. I think you're rude, obsessive and need to get away from the internet. There, that's everything. No hidden meanings, no hidden messages. Anything else you may think about me is all in your head. As I said RIGHT at the start, there is little too no point trying to explain something to you. You see only what you want and block everything else out. Good luck with what ever you try and do and in the future, if you wish to address me, unblock me and do it on deviant art. Quite frankly, you're an addict, a masochist, you lash out against EVERYONE who disagrees with you and when someone DARES to retaliate its "OMG I WAS BULLIED ALL MY LIFE! I FEEL WORTHLESS! WHY WON"T THE WORLD LEAVE ME BE!" It's a blatant attempt to garner sympathy. before you retreat to your DA and get all that sympathy because it's a world you can control. If you wish to attack then be prepared to face the harsh truth without having to spin a sob story.
  • CommonThinking123
    Kurvos is little bitch, you only need to look at the videos people have made about him on youtube. This one is my favourite.

    http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=nxxe3rQWymo

    Honetly, dont bother trying to talk to him, he'll just ignore you, block you or delete your comments and then write about you where you cant even defend yourself. His blog right now is full of how people who hate the new Star Wars films are the scum of the earth.
  • flamingoman
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    It's because the prequels do suck. They're terribly, filmed, terribly written, terribly acted, vacuous, lacks any emotional resonance, contradictory both of itself and the original trilogy, is filled with gaping plot holes and convoluted character motivations, has a love story more disturbing and alien than Twilight and it heavily uses cheap CGI effects that were outdated a year after the initial release. The biggest irony of that being that the original Star Wars is a milestone in special effects history. There's a reason the Rancor scene in Return of the Jedi holds up better than any scene with Jar Jar in Phantom Menace.

    So yes, it is cold hard fact -not coldheart fact by the way- that the Star Wars prequels ARE bad, very very bad. Not because it ruins a revered franchise but because they fail on every conceivable level.
  • Mischi  - Forgiveness
    @ GBelly - Yeah, that's gonna be great.
    Seriously, two years ago I watched the RLM Reviews on a daily base. I haven't done this rewatching thing ever, since I was little. Guess which films were on this constant rerun list of mine.
    I felt really disappointed then, with the prequels. I wanted to love these movies. I wanted to see them again and again with as much delight as I saw the old ones.
    You can tell that these RLM reviews have a special love for the old star wars. That is what made them so good. To me, it was like a therapy which I never knew I needed so badly.
    As a result: I have forgiven the prequels and Lucas because:
    - Phantom Menace will always remind me of that reborn star wars hype of 1998/99, which was in itself a good thing.
    - Changing the movies is somehow stupid, but I really don't mind. Original copies are out there and alwas will be. I enjoy different takes on these movies. He could even go much further and shoot new scenes for each movie. Why not.
    - Star Wars is still to be found anywhere, where it belongs: Childrens still love Star Wars, Clone Wars and the Prequels. Also seeing the old ones. And there was my awnser: Why couldn't I love a movie with 25 the same way I did with 12? - Well, because I'm 25 now and not 12 anymore...
  • alsciaukat
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    New trilogy is better.
  • Extreme-Madness  - re:alsciaukat
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    In what universe?
  • Leon Thomas
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    One rule I made for myself when first putting together Renegade Cut was to avoid saying "I" or delving into first person in general, and no personal stories as much as humanly possible during each episode. I want the show to be about debating issues and not about who is delivering the initial message. The opinions are obviously my own -- they have to come from somewhere -- but the topics are not meant to be rants or arguments based more on personal like or dislike than broad debate. Often, people want to go after the person saying something with which they don't agree, somehow taking it as a personal attack, rather than discussing the issue.

    So, as a brief personal side note that I would have felt uncomfortable putting in the episode proper, I love Star Wars. It was a big part of my childhood, I had a light saber toy, lined up all day to watch the special edition of A New Hope, etc. etc. etc. Yet, I can't find it in me to hold a grudge. George Lucas screwed up big time, but those were honest mistakes. Not vendetta against fans.

    Anyway, I hope everyone enjoys the episode whether you agree or disagree, and I look forward to reading your responses.
  • jaltesorensen  - THANKS
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    It takes courage to stand up and say what you really think in a movie-mob who has decided that George Lucas is movie-devil.

    The original Star Wars movies are some of the best pieces of modern art in the world, i think. George Lucas started pixar. But he dosent get any credit for this because of Jar Jar Binks. Indiana Jones was totally George Lucas idea, but he never gets credit for all the good things in this franchise. All the good Indiana Jones movies are all credited to Steven Spielberg and Harrison Ford, while the bad ones are solely credited to George Lucas.

    I just hate this one-sided group-thinking against George Lucas.

    George Lucas has done some shit. But so has so many other directors. It is just that George Lucas are never credited for the good things, but only the bad things.

    So THANKS for speaking my frustraions (if you can say that)
  • Fantasgasmic
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    I just finished watching the AFI top 100, and American Graffiti is one of the worst movies I've ever seen (along with The African Queen). I recognize that it is the prototypical coming of age movie (though I wouldn't call it one), and it probably influenced everything from Porky's and Fast Times at Ridgemont High, to Can't Hardly Wait, American Pie, and Superbad (which also sucks, except for the McLovin parts). But it is so goddamned boring. It might be unfair to complain about the technicals, but I found it difficult to hear a lot of the dialogue, and thus couldn't follow who was who early on. The story meandered along aimlessly, but without strong enough characters, or any chance for the audience to connect to them early on, that device didn't come off as "realistic" or anything, just dragging, padding, and pointless. An example would be when Ron Howard goes to the high school dance despite having graduated. Why? What happened as a result of that long scene? Nothing.
  • ShingoEX
    So, let me get this straight...

    You didn't like it, so that makes it bad.
  • Malchik
    What, does his opinion make what you like bad? You'd have to think that to assume what you're asking.

    And if we're talking about our personal view of a film - like he has - than yes, if I don't like something that would, in fact, make it bad.
  • AceTygra82
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    "An example would be when Ron Howard goes to the high school dance despite having graduated. Why? What happened as a result of that long scene? Nothing."

    Actually I think the point of that scene was to show how the character wasn’t quite ready to leave childhood behind. Also don’t forget there wasn’t really anything to do in that small town. Its not like there were any bars or nightclubs they could go to!
  • ShingoEX  - No...
    Jaws (1975) was considered the first "blockbuster", not Star Wars.
  • TheGreatEscapist
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    I am not a huge fan of Star Wars or Indiana Jones, but I am glad you made this.

    For one thing, I always thought the massive hate against Lucas regarding the Star Wars prequels seemed like a bit much to me. I mean, it's one thing to make a joke that maybe he's going senile, but the hate... It's not like he actually went out to hurt anybody. Yes, they are bad movies, but it never came off that Lucas is a mean-spirited person. He just needs to put more effort into his projects. (Believe me, there are far more mean-spirited, hate-mongering films out there. You kids today can be so sheltered.)

    Naturally, as mentioned before, I'm not a fan of Lucas's early adventure movies, so I'm not one of those folks who claim that he "raped my childhood". So in my ignorance I don't understand why these movies, that are boring at best, could warrant so much anger.

    The other day on Shameful Sequels Mike J did a review of "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull". While I can agree that there were a lot of stupid improbabilities in that movie, I found the absurdity on its own to be just plain funny. Maybe I just have an odd sense of humor, but the "Surviving in a Refrigerator" scene was just so goofy I couldn't help but laugh. (Or "Surviving Three Waterfalls"; also funny in its lunacy.)
  • Jasonhall230
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    As much as I bash Lucas for his prequels I have to admit this video got me to thinking. I had forgotten his other movies that I grew up with and enjoyed so much. But upon being reminded of his entire body of work to me the good outshines the bad. I still feel like he is doing a disservice to his fans by constantly changing his movies, but now I think I can look past the BS and enjoy the good with the bad. Hell if nothing else the bad is still riffable with some close friends and is still worth watching just for that purpose. And isn't that wahat life is all about? XD
  • Fancyarcher  - Worst movies?
    I don't think that George Lucas has created some of the worst movies ever? What made you say that Leon (and please don't say the prequel trilogy because those don't count, they are far from being considered the worst)?
  • Leon Thomas
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    I probably should have said "among the worst BIG BUDGET movies ever" or "among the most widespread HATED among fans" as qualifiers. Still, even that is only my opinion, and it is certainly open for debate.
  • Jasonhall230
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    I think he may have meant "worst" in the way they are seen by their detractors.
  • richtv
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    I think the problem is George Lucas doesn't care what his fans have to say, when someone claims that Phantom Menace, as an example, was boring he shrugs his shoulders and says "ah well". Confused Matthew had it right when he did a rant about this, the man does not care what his fans think. Yes he can make whatever movie he wants no argument but if the fans hate it, own up to that! Joel Schumacher apologized for Batman & Robin because the fans hated it so much. By the way I thought American Graffiti was a big bore, but that is just my opinion.
  • AceTygra82
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    "By the way I thought American Graffiti was a big bore, but that is just my opinion"

    Not all movies have to be loaded with special effects and cheesy one-liners to be entertaining!
  • richtv
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    what part of my opinion did you not understand? I can find a movie a bore for my own reason which have nothing do with "cool special effects"!
  • flamingoman
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    He didn't even imply that he wanted his movies with special effects and cheesy one liners. Way to jump to conclusions though based off of someone's opinion of a movie.

    Y'know I didn't really like The Artist, I thought it was boring and pretentious. Does that mean I too prefer my films with special effects and cheesy one liners?
  • Potato Power
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    Good video. I agree that Lucas' early accomplishments are often downplayed in the internet firestorm, and they shouldn't be. If his filmography ended with Return of the Jedi, or even The Last Crusade, he'd be remembered as one of film's greatest pioneers.
    I am not, however, beyond thinking that George has some contempt for his own fanbase. I think the vitriol surrounding the prequels may have made him bitter to the masses, and while I can't claim to know his heart with any degree of certainty, the most recent blu-ray alterations to the Original Trilogy (the RotJ "Nooooooooooo!" most notably) are an indicator that Lucas *may* (perhaps) have been spiting his fans. But, I digress.
  • Jack_Vision
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    I completely forgot Lucas did american graffiti
    think i know what im watching tonight.

    good review cant wait for the next one.
  • srice13  - no no no...
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    George Lucas is terrible, why? Because he is a hypocrite. When Turner was buying movies to colorize them - Lucas flipped and went on record saying:

    "Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. Tommorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with "fresher faces," or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actor's lips to match. It will soon be possible to create a new "original" negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires. The copyright holders, so far, have not been completely diligent in preserving the original negatives of films they control. In order to reconstruct old negatives, many archivists have had to go to Eastern bloc countries where American films have been better preserved.

    In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be "replaced" by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten." (http://savestarwars.com/ doasisay.html)

    Yet he has the balls to turn around and do the exact same thing because they are his films? No. Fuck George Lucas - not because of the prequels, or Howard the duck, or even Indy 4... fuck him because he is a hypocrite who is high and mighty and thinks he can do whatever he wants.

    That's why most people have a genuine hate for the man. Flat out.

    You can ignore the bad films - you can't ignore missing blaster hit frames, greedo shooting, Sebastian Shaw being REMOVED and replaced with another actor, voices dubbed and changed and manipulated, the numerous horrible additions of background humor for no reason in the scope of the plot.

    Now -- if Lucas gave the ORIGINAL films the same attention of releasing etc... then that's fine but he's trying to ELIMINATE the original films.

    Last year Lucas REFUSED to work with the Library of Congress who were in the process of archiving original prints of the trilogy. They finished Star Wars -- but Lucas tried to force the 1997 SE print on them instead -- when they refused, Empire and Jedi were no longer being archived.

    So please, defend Lucas more... because he made three good films in a 40+ year career, then decided to become self righteous.

    *quick edit* I did enjoy the video btw, just am passionate about why i dislike lucas XD
  • Leon Thomas
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    Although the restoration thing is hypocritical, people reserve the right to change their minds. As far as the Library of Congress goes, Lucas doesn't have to do what the government requests. In the end, he owns Star Wars. Not the federal government. I don't see these things making him a terrible person.
  • Malchik
    It's till hypocritical of him standing in front of congress and pleading to make legislation to ban the alterations of films that are deemed culturally significant without the directors consent. The fact is, despite George's ownership of the franchise, he has not directed either ESB or RotJ.
  • STRAKER
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    Yeah see, I have to agree with this one right here. Even though people are entitled to change their minds to me this sort of treatment of the films really smacks one in the face of just being so disrespectful to the fans. I don't care HOW much he wants to alter his films, but he should allow preservation of the originals.
  • Moon Jump
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    George Lucas needs to do one thing and one thing only. Just let us have a way to purchase the original trilogy without any of the additions made from the Special Edition, DVD and Blu-Ray. That's it. I don't understand why that's such a hard request. The fans want it, we'll pay good money for them but it's like he's committed to making it like those versions of the films don't exist anymore.
  • IffySAM
    I ultimately don't care that much that the Prequels sucks. I don't even care THAT much that he went back and changed the original movies. But what I find unforgivable is his refusal to allow the public the opportunity to see the movies as they originally were. VHS deteriorates; old copies don't look good, and they'll eventually break and be lost forever. He's trying to erase them from history, just because he doesn't think they're good enough, even though countless millions disagree with him and just want the chance to have the movies they loved (and which made Lucas wealthy enough to fund these "improvements"). Give us a choice. He and his still loyal fans can have the director's cut, and the fans of the old films can have the theatrical. Everyone wins that way.

    But Lucas only wants his narrow way, and clearly doesn't care about what anyone else thinks. For that, he deserves our scorn. It's petty, it's selfish, and it's arrogant. I don't care what good stuff he's done, that is a huge character flaw. Not one against the artist, but against the man himself.
  • srice13
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    Leon: while they do have the right, you have to remember he still was on the film preservation board shooting down others while making his own changes... that is just a scumbag type of thing to do.

    As for the governmental request - no he doesn't have to, but it yet again goes against everything he stood for in the 80's... when he still had good ideas and believed in film and the purity behind it.

    I truly feel it's almost as if he wanted to be inside his own story arcs and decided to play the emperors role. Do as I say not as I do mentalities never work or gain respect. As a film maker myself I can understand the view of wanting to clean up or tighten up an edit... I did it myself with a short film from about 13 years ago I did...

    but also my film wasn't beloved by all... nor was it anything special to anyone... also the original print of it was 100% unavailable and all that was left was the dailies.... so a re-edit to release it again was required.

    Im getting beyond the point... if Lucas stepped down from the board, then did the changes - i'd still be mad but i wouldn't be as venomous towards him. It's a matter of honor almost.

    That and... wtf, Hayden instead of Sebastian? Fuck that :)
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