Buffy the Vampire Slayer

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  • Penrefe
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    Are you kidding?! The Reubens death scene is the greatest thing in the movie!

    Still, nicely analysed =)
  • dennett316
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    Agreed, I laugh my ass off everytime I see it. I really don't know why I like this film as much as I do, but it makes me laugh every time.
  • EpicFish
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    It really was. I laugh so hard every time I watch it. Honestly, I like the Buffy movie, a lot more than the show. Actually, I thought it was better than the show. -looks behind shoulder for imminent attack from Buffy tv fans- Call it a guilty pleasure. I was always under the impression that the movie was a spoof on more serious vampire movies.
  • Animikean
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    Totally with you EpicFish! :D

    (covers your back in preparation for BTVS:TV fans attack)
  • Kryss LaBryn
    Came here to say that too. XD Man, the thought of that death scene keeps me laughing to this day!!

    And yeah, okay, so Reubens' character got his arm ripped off pretty easily, which is sort of weeny, but it didn't bother him at all (beyond what it did to his jacket) which is still pretty badass. So I honestly didn't notice any discrepancy here until the Maven mentioned it.

    --Mind you, I haven't seen it since it was in theatres, so that may be a factor. ;-)
  • morius
    The analysis is ok, but the big problem I have with her reviews is that she doesn't seem to be able to decide who's her target audience: people who have seen the movie or people who haven't seen it.

    Like, sometimes she decides to talk about some very small details (like if she was explaining things to someone who has never seen the movie), and sometimes she just skips over some pretty big points (which, for someone who hasn't seen the movie, ends up being confusing).

    It was pretty awful in the Blade review, here it wasn't THAT bad, but it's still something that she should probably consider improving on her future reviews.
  • illpropaganda
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    "I wish these tasted like blood."
  • Dark Emergence
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    ... You went to the coolest church. Mine warned against Buffy or anything with the occult in it. Do you know how many cool things are connected to the occult?
  • MisterW  - They showed Buffy in church?
    I guess that's how a good little churchgoer turns into a vampire seductress.
  • VincentEL
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    The script is a lot better than the movie AND the comic adaptation. The comic cuts a lot of corners. Joss Whedon wasn't directly involved with the comics at that time. The original screenplay flows and feels like what Sam Raimi's Spider-Man should have been, in my opinion. Not on par with the series, of course, and it's very dated, but it reads like a pretty solid "young superhero" script, with a nice balance of humor and drama. Just a bit ahead of its time (it might have worked better in the mid-to-late nineties rather than the beginning). And Fran Kuzui is a hack, who is deluded enough to still think she actually made Buffy better.
  • unc
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    Good review. I hope Forever Knight is on your list.
  • ladydiskette
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    Oh yes! 'Forever Knight'!

    I only saw one episode of it at my sister's place, but I was introduced to the show in a......crossover Simpsons fanfic I read back when I was younger. *cough*


    Still, I am sure Maven's review of "Forever Knight" will be more well-rounded and informative!
  • Robert the Redd  - OMG Forever Knight!!
    I didn't think anyone outside Canada even heard of that show! I used to watch it all the time; I still remember the guy who played LaCroix as the original 'Oatmeal Crisp' guy....Holy Shit! :D I also have this fuzzy memory of the main actor (Geraint Wyn Davies) in a Highlander episode....not sure bout that one. Anyway I hope the next one Forever Knight too. :D
  • Beast  - An Far Superior Film To The Series...
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    I hate the TV series with a fiery passion. The movie is far superior in every area.

    Plus the characters aren't just ripped off from the X-Men as Whedon tends to do.
  • ThePauper
    "I hate the TV series with a fiery passion. The movie is far superior in every area.

    Plus the characters aren't just ripped off from the X-Men as Whedon tends to do."

    i really, really hope you are just trying to fuck with people...
  • Beast  - Totally Serious...
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    I love the movie as I already said. It's just fun.

    And even Whedon has basically admitted he just cribs from the X-Men. Buffy = Kitty Pryde, Giles = Beast, Willow = Magik.

    Just read his Astonishing X-Men run and you can see he basically writes the characters exactly the same as he wrote his Buffy characters. And the characters in Alien: Resurrection are basically prototypes for Firefly.
  • Lotus Prince
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    "And even Whedon has basically admitted he just cribs from the X-Men. Buffy = Kitty Pryde,"

    wut

    Kitty Pryde is the girl who could walk through walls, you know.

    "Giles = Beast,"

    What, the extremely strong and athletic blue guy? Oh, wait, no, Giles is just bookish. I guess every librarian ever is a ripoff of Beast.

    "Willow = Magik."

    Magik is an obscure character. Also, is every witch ever a ripoff of Magik?

    You are seriously stretching at best. I suspect trolling.
  • HanSK
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    Did you even read his post

    he says Whedon himself admitted he's ripping-off X-Men
    In fact, he apparently said that on multiple occasions
  • Obsidian
    Whedon has said that Kitty Pryde was one of his influences on Buffy. That's all.

    One of his influences. The same way that Snow White and Bambi were a big influence on Osamu Tezuka. Is all anime therefore just a ripoff of Disney?

    The poster who made the claims doesn't know what he is talking about. He clearly thinks that any intellectual, bookish character is somehow a Beast ripoff. Despite the fact that Beast is equally brains and brawn, while Giles, even though he can put up a decent fight, is more brains. He's more similar to Spock or Gandalf, or even Sherlock Holmes (three intellectual characters who are unimposing, but if pushed can hold their own in a fight.)

    He's also apparently never heard of 30's pulp hero of Doc Sampson, who Beast drew obvious influence from.

    The poster tries to support his claim that Whedon just rips off the X-Men by citing Whedon's Astonishing X-Men run, done after Buffy. So, Buffy is a ripoff of something else Whedon himself wrote at a later date? Not sure how that is supposed to work...
  • Beast  - You don't really get it...
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    I was pointing to Whedon's ASX and the fact his versions of the X-Men have the exact same voices and characterization as his other characters as another point of evidence that Whedon's incredibly unoriginal. And every character he writes ends up with the same general character based on their characteristics. His Firefly/Alien Resurrection characters are another example.
  • Obsidian
    Yeah, the Astonishing X-Men characters have SIMILAR voices to the Buffy characters, but not identical. So what? Whedon seems to enjoy working with specific archetypes, and then building on them and taking them in expected directions. As to Alien Resurrection and Firefly... Don't see it, and given that almost nothing remained of Whedon's original work on the script, any similarity is not his fault.

    And as to the rest, it still doesn't explain some of your other claims. Giles being a Beast rip off, or Willow and Magik (who have personalities that are NOTHING alike. If anyone, Willow's personality is most like early Kitty Pryde, and even that isn't a perfect match given that Willow is a lot darker.)

    Now, there is some influence from the X-Men in there. As there is from a bunch of other sources, such as horror movies and some other comics, like a couple of nods to Promethea. But so what. Every story draws influence from something else. It doesn't all start and end with X-Men, which itself pulled a lot of influence from other sources.
  • Jane the Bane
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    The X-Men are a Doom Patrol rip-off, for starters.

    Clearly, some Buffy episodes were indebted to motifs from other sources: the final fight in season 4 (with its drawing upon previous incarnations of the slayer) was inspired by Promethea; Dark Willow in season 6 owes more than a little to the Dark Phoenix Saga, etc.

    But that doesn't disqualify the series, nor even these particular episodes. As you said, Obsidian, it's not plagiarism, it's just drawing influence from something else.
  • Obsidian
    Actually, while Doom Patrol did come out first, it is all but impossible for the X-Men to have been ripped off. It took over 6 months to develop a comic from beginning to end in the '60's, and Doom Patrol only came out 3 months before X-Men. So, the later would have already been well in the works by the time Doom Patrol hit the stands. However, some elements of X-Men were clearly influenced by other sources, such as Beast drawing inspiration from Doc Sampson, or elements of various mythologies in the X-Men, for example.

    And yeah, the Dark Willow story is a clear nod to the Dark Phoenix saga, and there are numerous other references to other works in Buffy, something the creators are quick to point out. The Dark Phoenix Saga itself had a clear influence from various ancient myths. Being influenced by something is not the same thing as ripping it off.

    It doesn't all begin and end with the X-Men.
  • Lotus Prince
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    "Did you even read his post "

    But if those are the connections, then they're tenuous at best.
  • mrrubino
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    So he cribbed from random and otherwise non-related second-string X-Men?
    That's... novel.
  • Shiftyjake  - Originality is overrated
    Assuming you're right, I still don't care.

    It's totally okay when first developing your original character to use established characters as inspiration. Everyone does it. No one works in a cultural vacuum. Hell, one of my favorite characters of all time is based on the old 30's hero, "The Shadow".

    I might have a problem with it if the characters were carbon copies, but they're not. No one is part of a despised race (except the vamps 'cause they're evil), the basic morality is surprisingly black and white (y'know there's EVIL), the overall themes of the two franchises are completely different, etc.

    It's okay to think "I like Beast. I like how he speaks softly but carries a big stick, and how he's easy to misjudge upon first seeing him. I think I'll use that..."

    It's clear that Whedon was working with the 4-Man-Band trope when he designed the team for the show. You're going to see archetypes show up that have shown up countless times before in fiction because Whedon intended the story to be archetypal the same way Lucas intended Star Wars to be archetypal. It's part of why the stories work so well (prequels notwithstanding).
  • Vismutti
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    Indeed. Anyway, what in this world really is "truly" original anymore? ANYTHING can be said to copy something. So what, art has always been about stealing ideas. The point is that there must be real inspiration involved and that's obviously what Buffy has.
  • Trencher
    I found the fact that she kept her modern perspective and rebuked the traditional vampire erm.. traditions to be the best thing about the movie and really what made the movie in parts better than the TV show.
  • Trencher
    Btw. Great review!
  • TheLocknar
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    Honestly, I was kinda disappointed at first. I was hoping you'd review the TV series instead of the bastardized movie. But the review was very good! You explained the concept behind 'Buffy' flawlessly, and I was surprised that there was so much ground to cover since I stand solely by the show's themes and characters.

    If I sent you a box of blood-flavored suckers, would you do a followup review that covers the show?
  • ThePauper
    i had watched this movie a long time ago, and for the longest time, didn't know there was a tv series. once i saw the tv series, the movie kinda made me sick to my stomach. good review, and now i gotta check out the comic. i had heard of it, but never got around to reading it...
  • Grimm  - 333333333333333
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    im in love!
  • Furbyz  - How could you...
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    not point out Hilary Swank. I mean she's just RIGHT THERE the entire time.

    As for the death scene, the entire time I was thinking, "So he's mocking her and about to do something badass, right?" Then he actually died. Yeah, that was weird.
  • Animikean
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    and an uncredited Ben Affleck, Alexis Arquette, Seth Green and Ricki Lake ;)
  • Kryss LaBryn
    ***As for the death scene, the entire time I was thinking, "So he's mocking her and about to do something badass, right?" Then he actually died. Yeah, that was weird.***

    GOD I KNOW RIGHT. I was SHOCKED when he keeled over. XD

    --Although IIRC by the credits (beginning of? Middle? End?) he's still going so maybe, eventually, in the sequel that didn't really happen..? XD Maybe he totally WAS mocking her and just got caught up in the moment, lol.
  • The_Awesometeer
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    I can't remember much about the review I was a little distracted by your outfit and how hot you look.
  • Lotus Prince
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    "I can't remember much about the review I was a little distracted by your outfit and how hot you look."

    Wanna try posting something relevant, and not something that makes you look like a creep?
  • dascottjr
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    In Awesometeer's defense, Maven did have TWO BLOW POPS. :P

    Seriously, though, I really enjoyed the angle you took on this one. I'm not a ginormous Buffy fan, but you've got me curious to read that comic book. (Speaking of which, the most recent Buffy comic series might be an interesting subject for a future video and/or collaboration.)
  • mrrubino
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    This is your first exposure to Awesometeer, I'm guessing?
  • Kryss LaBryn
    To be fair, that's a pretty awesome corset. ;D
  • Booyakasha011
    didn't like the movie much, love the series, glad I'm not the only one
    I was hoping this view would be about the series but still, good review
  • Kirinet
    Loved this review, you pointed out everything I loved about Buffy PRIOR TO SEASON 6.
    Season 6 is when first hits the fan and everything that characterized Buffy was thrown out the window for sad, brooding Buffy.
    But season 6 is still watchable with some very funny and original episodes, season 7 was damn horrible.

    Anyway, now I'm going to get the origin story, got me interested now.
  • totes_Mcgotes
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    The Trio made that season awesome. Oh, and the musical episode.
  • Roconza
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    Yay, A whole review and not one Twight joke at least that I saw.

    I forgot there was even a movie. I was into the show and it's spinoff Angel to a near obsessive point when I was 13 years-old.
  • Zachary Amaranth
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    Paul Reuben's death scene was one of the best moments in the movie.

    Anyway, can you blame Wheedon for this considering how far it is from the story he wrote?
  • dunebat
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    LOVED. This. Movie. When I first saw it in theaters I could not stop laughing. My poor sainted mother (who took me to see it) thought I'd gone mad.
  • Shinigami
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    I love Buffy the Vampire Slayer TV-series but this movie not so much.
  • baticus_moronicus
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    Menstrual cramps as a plot device? Oh joy! Got a stomach ache? You must be getting your vamperiod! Hehe...yeah, sorry that was lame. Unlike this review. I wonder if you plan to do a review of the TV series too?
  • Touché
    I liked the movie, was it good oh hell no but it was fun. It was a good way to introduce the story to people who didn't and wouldnt take the genre seriously.

    I LOVED the show and still watch it from time to time on Netflix, I also got my younger sister hooked on it.

    I do love how people rip on Twilight for the emo broody Vampire when BUFFY Pioneered the archtype with Angel. Not that I do not like Angel I liked the character.
  • Obsidian
    No, Anne Rice pioneered the broody emo vampire. Angel was an affectionate take that at Anne Rice's vampires. (Notice how many vamps mock Angel for falling into the Anne Rice stereotype? Or the episode with the vampire wannabes, where one of them was dressed EXACTLY like Angel? Bonus points for Angel having just said that they didn't even know how vampires really dressed.)
  • negrocritic
    Plus its always more fun when a vampire show or movie takes a shot or mocks another (this show did it to anne rice, anne rice herself did it to Dracula twice, but those were all probably affectionate ribbings...whenever we make fun of twilight, its because that serries just plain blows...and really when you look at some trends as Elisa pointed out
    The brooding melancholy vampire is the brunette(Luis Angel Bill Compton) while the Blonde's have more fun even when they have a melancholy moment (Lestat, Spike Eric)I guess blondes have more fun when their evil...um what Elisa, you didnt like Merrick? I didn't get to finish it :(
  • Vismutti
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    In a way I'd say Angel is like the "missing link" between Louis and Edward.

    He's very similar to Louis in many ways: his personality and angst as a vampire, the era when he was turned, even some of his personality as a human... Although while Louis lived among vampires and never successfully escaped his vampire side, Angel lives among humans and his vampire side is more like a split personality than a part of him, letting him get a moral high ground, at least in the eyes of the viewers, and giving an easy solution to the fight between good and evil.

    On the other hand, the "tragic" (and I use that word very lightly) relationship between Edward and a human girl was clearly something that Angel had before (although not first! Not even on TV: compare Barnabas Collins). Except, you know, Angel's relationship with Buffy had ACTUAL tragedy involved, not just some contrived plot devices. Also, Buffy was an actual character, not an audience/writer stand-in.
  • Redsparkletea
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    I think the reason that they mention Edward and not Angel is because:

    1. Angel legitimately had some shit to brood over.
    2. Many of these people didn't start getting Meta with their media until it was "in" to be meta. Same could be said about music and fashion. Why do you think that so many people think ladygaga is "edgy"? because most of them never strayed from pop or mainstream fashion and therefore, her meat dress antics are seen as symbolic and edgy. I consider this film the pop to the show's alternative.

    I've been bringing lady gaga up a lot lately; I can't help it. If I see one more "Emma Watson's new goth(it wasn't even close) look" or "Roony Mara's edgy new gothic surfer look", I'll scream!(I found both of those journalistic fails on yahoo news)
  • HanSK
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    I'm probably one of the few people who prefer the movie to the TV series

    The series was a snore-fest to me, but I truly enjoyed my self throughout the entirety of the movie

    And after seeing Joss Whedon's Wonder Woman script, I'm this close to calling him a talentless hack
  • VincentEL
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    Seeing Joss Whedon's Wonder Woman script? Where? As far as I know, he only had time to write a loose first draft and then a treatment in an attempt to start over, and then he quit because the suits refused to say what they actually wanted. I haven't heard anything about the vomit draft leaking anywhere. Are you sure it was genuine?
  • HanSK
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    As far as I remember, someone posted bits of it on a forum about a year ago
    I can't say how genuine it was, but from a recent interview with Whedon, I assume it was quite genuine

    It's kinda obvious he didn't get the character
    Making her into a raving man-hater who needs to be thought a lesson, not to mention other basic writing mistakes like throwing in the Olympian gods three thirds into the story without building them up properly. Or even the self-contradictory characterization of Diana - one moment she equals sex to rape, and is repulsed by the very thought of it, and then she sleeps with a guy she only knew for a few days.

    And I'm not going to go into the more fanboyish aspects of my hate, like him making Artemis into a villain (while she was more of an anti-hero in the comics, and one of Wonder Woman's closest allies), despite the fact that the role in the story seemed perfectly tailored for the Baroness (no, not the one from G.I. Joe, I'm talking about Wonder Woman's first re-occurring enemy, one dating back to the 40s), which only shows how little he cares for the source material

    It had some cools moments like the US military attacking Themyscira, in a huge "technology vs magic" battle, or Wonder Woman battling a gorgon, but it was drowned in tons of stupid fluff (Diana getting addicted to MTV? Really?)

    So yeah, not impressed the least
  • Animikean
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    I'm with you in that this is the thing I like best with Wheadon's name on it, that he can't maturely respect that people can enjoy it only makes it harder for me to respect him.

    That Toy Story has always felt like it heavily borrowed from The Christmas Toy doesn't help.
  • HanSK
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    Not to mention that the sequels did perfectly fine without him

    The only thing that keeps me from dismissing him completely is the fact that he made "Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog"
  • Animikean
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    Maybe he's the kind who works best under vast restrictions,

    Sing-Along Blog (money, time, media)
    Buffy Movie (only wrote didn't helm)

    people point to Firefly/Serenity, but at the same time Farscape was on and the storylines, character development and world of that was so much richer!
  • HanSK
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    Kinda like George Lucas
  • fenderlove
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    Excellent review! I love both the movie and the series for a multitude of reasons, but seeing what Whedon and Dark Horse comics are doing to the story in their S8/S9 comics is just a travesty of everything that was potentially awesome about this universe.

    *points to icon* Plus, Spike's my main vamp.
  • fatalrob0t
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    What is it with people trying to take that movie so seriously? It's hilarious the way it is! I wouldn't want it to be any closer to the show than it was meant to be before! I own that comic, by the by, and as much fun as it is, the movie is better. I loved the show, but the two things should remain separate.

    I especially love Paul Rubens's final scene where he's hamming up his death. That was Beautiful. I absolutely love that bit to this day. It never ceases to get a chuckle out of me.
  • Blotto
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    I was not a big fan of the movie..but I was a fan of the tv show. I'm going to have to track down that comic book retelling of Buffy's origin story.

    I love these vampire reviews..very educational.
  • Magpie Dandy  - Be nice or vampire death awaits you!
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    I was very young when I watched this and liked it. Moved on to the tv show and loved it. In retrospect the movie really, really does not hold up. I do however prefer the actress in this to Gellar. I think in keeping with the tone of the movie though, Reubens death scene is still a bit of a laugh. :-)
  • Fahji  - suggestion
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    I think red would look good on you!
    http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=LPpCQf_dyk0
  • THOOM
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    Maven...Elisa...You are fucking awesome.
  • Cannonboy1
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    I love the room and outfits you wear when you do these videos. Totally awesome :)
  • DarkenedWolfEye
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    I literally squealed with joy when I saw the title of this video - and I almost never do that. It's an annual occurrence at best.
    As a side note, the show was wonderful. This movie makes me gag.
  • negrocritic  - corsets for the win
    oh my god, Elisa in a corset...thank you...boobies...yaya...oh and yea this movie was a crack up...prefer the tv show, love how it took shots at The anne Rice novels even though some of the things in the show mirrored things in them at time...especially when angel magically switched bodies with a human(granted it wasn't his choice, and it was in the body of an old frail man, and I dont think Whedon totally ripped of Anne, I dont think he liked her much
  • Jane the Bane  - Joss Whedon vs. Anne Rice
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    I don't think it was really an issue of personal dislike.

    It's more that the kind of vampires Whedon imagined and wanted to portray were the kind of folks who'd make fun of Anne Rice's flamboyant and mopy heroes. Back in those days, Louis de Pointe du Lac and all the other vaguely homoerotic undead that populated Rice's novels were the closest thing to today's Edward Cullen: prettified dandies rather than vicious predators.

    If you ask me, Whedon's take on the vampire myth ("a demon sets up camp in your dead body") is not necessarily better than Rice's, it just allows for different stories. (Although Angel, by virtue of a gypsy curse and a tormented soul, comes pretty close to Anne Rice's vision.)
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