A History of Animation Part 2

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  • ThatFellowInTheCoat
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    Been looking forward to this one ever since Part 1 and I really enjoyed it. Though I definitely disagree with you regarding Ren & Stimpy, I do think Cow and Chicken and Aqua Teen Hunger Force are beyond stupid. Nice job!
  • ampmclock  - hahahahahahahahahaha
    incredible interpretation of Adult Swim.
  • goldenstate5
    I respect your opinions on Adult Swim and the like, but you seemed to outright ignore animated feature films and the second golden age which arguably attributed much more to your point than television animation did. As well, how can you ignore Pixar?! WALL-E, their release this year, is definitely NOT targeted towards children and is literally one of the smartest animated features I've seen in ages.
  • adrasl300
    WALL-E is still kinda family friendly.....
  • Somewhat
    Family friendly includes parents: something enjoyable for parents and children at the same time; It's possible to entertain children without alienating a more mature audience. We just kind of gave up on that awhile back.
  • askewman37
    good video, and retrospective all together. Now before I say what I'm going to realize that as you are entirely entitled to your opinions as are others, so this is by no means an attack, just my own opinion.

    With that said I to agree that most Adult Swim shows are like that, with 2 notable exceptions. First of all Moral Orel, great smart writing in a odd little stop-motion package. And second, and more important: The Venture Brothers. With it's great looking animation, not only people working on the show voice actors and it's half hour time frame in which it's able to build an actual plot each episode, it's clearly not an Aqua Teen like show. But like I said, that's just my opinion fell free to disagree as much as you want, I just wanted to put my thoughts out there.
  • blushapple
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    I love you. No really, I love you.

    I have been waiting so long to find someone who understands - Adult Swim cartoons destroy the IQ. Destroy. Decimate it.
  • AmazingTele  - i'm not exactly sure we need more don bluth
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    he started good in the 80's but 90's and up has all been crap (troll in central park, pebble and the penguin, titan a.e *shudder*

    you should make that william street knock off show into a full show...it has promise!!

    and sure ren and stimpy was pure retardation...but it was pure retardation perfected into an artform
  • organman31190  - beautiful
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    MarzGurl is Sooooooooooooooooo Fucking Hot!
  • Wendell
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    [b]Yep, the new cartoons today are indeed utter crap.[/b]

    Most of the good stuff that we get now days comes from japan, but allot of it (yet still the most popular) is also utter shit, like naruto (screw you!), yu-gi-ho! and pokemon are dominant on japanese animation, 2 of them are marketing tools and the other one is well... NOT A NIJA!!!

    bleach is indeed good, also the Morbito has been added recently, showcasing the best dubbed dialog i have seen in ages.
  • Cferra
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    Good stuff! Nice history of animation. Way to comment on the stuff I grew up on. (Re: those 1980s kids shows) Looking back, they were thirty minute commercials and hey we had to get ALL the toys! Transformers, GI Joe...everything. Good stuff!
  • Linkara
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    I wouldn't mind seeing an opinion on South Park, which while it does devolve into immature humor sometimes, a lot of its episodes are very well written when they have intelligent themes going on.

    Great stuff, MarzGurl! Keep up the good work!
  • psycher7
    90% of Adult Swim is complete crap (and yes I do include Seth McFarland in that). As they weeded out anime like Cowboy Bebop to make room for the utter horror and ineptitude of Squidbillies or Tom Goes To the Mayor, I lost interest. Then they stopped showing Futurama. Now they're left with Harvey Birdman, Robot Chicken, and ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!

    Kudos for mentioning ReBoot. That will be my next download, now that I'm done with Daria.
  • ToruKun1  - ROFL @ the Speed Stick and Razor....XD
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    I liked your skit of a what a pitch meeting at Williams Street is like, I'm getting really sick of "awkward humor". It aggravates me, hence why I don't like Aqua Teen (my parents love it though...and Metalocalypse...). I don't like Bleach much though, the plot's too convoluted (and the Bount Arc sucks >:( ).

    ....I like Ren and Stimpy. :'(
    BTW, have you ever seen/read John K's animation blog? It's really informative, taught me everything I know about animution today, yay! ;)
  • edjr1980  - Stupidity?
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    What's wrong with stupidity mixed with animation? They did it in the 40s and 50s, so what's wrong with it today? Regardless of who it is aimed at, Am I really supposed to take Tom and Jerry or Bugs Bunny seriously? No. How about Ren and Stimpy, Sealab 2021, or Family Guy? Again no, but isn't that the point, to make us laugh? If you tried to make a dramatic animated show, it probably wouldn't do any good, at least not in the states.
    I'll agree that there is too much stupidity at times and if you wanted serious animation, anime is the way to go, for the most part. Not to say anime doesn't have some of the worst animated shows EVER, Pokemon need I say more?
    Lastly, I agree that no one has sold more toys than Transformers, and do you know why? Because "Transformers" are AWESOME and have been AWESOME for 24+ years, so suck on that G.I. Joe;D
  • TheFandango  - I see what you mean...
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    But Courage the Cowardly Dog, Johnny Bravo, Dexter's Lab, Cow & Chicken, Billy & Mandy, ATHF, Ren & Simpy and some others I can't name are sill awesome.
  • Divock  - I completely agree
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    I do. I turn on the TV and switch to Cartoon Network or Nickelodeon and while some stuff I watch is okay, most of it makes my brain explode. Sigh...my childhood channels have been raped by cartoon moneymakers. Cow and Chicken was OKAY occasionally, and Billy and Mandy was only good at the beginning, but it quickly lost its touch. Finally, I hate to say that anything new Cartoon Network adds, is pure suck. I don't know anything good they've added that wasn't anime in the adult section. Bakugan? Chowder? Johnny Test? Sigh...
  • DarkHarpuia
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    You said that Ren & Stimpy was retardation to it's max, but you don't get the SYMBOLISM IN IT!
    Nah, just kidding. Pfft, symbolism.

    But really, why do you think we liked it? Because it was completelly retarded! And the Adult Swim cartoons are supposed to be like that. Shitty as all hell in quality and make us laugh at how awkward they are >_>; It's not adult at all, but I still think it's funny.
  • Crusnik02
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    I agree with what you have to say about adultswim, mostly is crap and seriously does anybody know an adult, considering an adult todays is at least 30, that watches it? Most of the people I know who watch it are 13-14 years old and just watch it cause it contains the word "adult" so therefore it's cool.

    Another thing I agree with you that shows like Ren and Stimpy are nothing more than regurgitated retardedness and my 8-year-old self would agree with you too.

  • Maverick21
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    very funny, and late. though i agree ATHF is retarded, thats also the point of the show, and did you not comment on robot chicken because you thought it was good (like everyone does) or does it not count as animation because its stop motion?
  • MarzGurl
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    @askewman37

    The only thing I have to respond to is that with Morel Orel, it's not even their stop-motion animation. They used a CHRISTIAN stop-motion animated show named Davey and Goliath and its characters, and then put them in degrading situations. Can't say I'm a fan of that.

    Otherwise, feel free to like what you do.
  • amigobear
    Yes I know this is an old post and i pretty sure I should respond to this but oh well.

    If you see the last season, the characters in the show become 3 dimensional and you understand why Most of the characters act the way they act. like Reverend putty's daughter, Orel's parents, and having most of the series episodes intertwine with each other leading up the a great ending.

    So give it another shot at least the last season, it will be worth your while.
  • TheDoctorWho
    While obviously parodying Davey and Goliath, they in no way use their characters, realize this. It's satire.
  • Stonedonkey  - insert funny title here
    The Aquateens amused me for a little while but that "insert random shit here" formula only works for so long.
  • NegaJoe  - I believe it should be a federal law to always put
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    Some interesting interpretations of recent animations you got there. You were right though, this could have been a five-part video and I'm sure you would still forget to mention something. You definitely seem to have a beef with Williams Streets shows.(I personally never saw the appeal of Space Ghost: Coast to Coast) But remember, Williams Street never intended to supply meaningful, thought-provoking shows. They merely provide shows for their audience, young adults who find crude humor laughable. For people who expect something intelligent with their animated shows, look elsewhere.

    You had to give it to Cartoon Network back in the day, they tried a lot of different shows to see what worked. With that show, "Cartoon Cartoon" I think, a LOT of pilots were thrown at us, and introduced us to Powerpuff girls, Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo, etc. To me that was pretty innovative. Even Seth MacFarlane tried his own pilot, which he would later re-tool into a little show called "Family Guy". CN today though is a joke, RERUNS of crappy shows everywhere.

    Would have liked to have seen "Gargoyles" or "Batman: TAS" mentioned. Those shows were exceptional, even though they were geared towards kids, it treated them like adults.
  • askewman37
    @MarzGurl

    Good Point, but then at the same time this new seasons hasn't been so much about that as more not even really trying to be funny just as to tell stories, but thanks for the "like what you do" though.

    Also, out of pure curiosity, do you have any opinion on the Venture Bros? since I kinda think it's much more an exception to the Adult Swim stuff than Moral Orel is.
  • askewman37
    *season, I ment, sorry
  • BEAST1983
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    This was very bad. I love the depth of the first video and i loved the fact that you weren't biased towards the what the era valued. All you did the last half was bash today's ideas and uses for animation. I'm very disappointed that you tried to come off as funny instead of intelligent. I mean the title is a history of animation not MARZGIRL'S opinion of animation. >:(
  • RebelTaxi
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    Good summery of Adult Swim shows. One of the few good shows from AS was Home Movies which wasn't all insanity, it focused on dialog. The current AS is just some poorly drawn, gross out humor aimed at 13 year olds. Some of it I like, others I hate. I wish you at least mentioned Batman TAS or the rest of the DC cartoons.
  • A Knothole Resident
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    Not bad, but its not as edutaining as your previous video. I felt this one came off a bit rushed cause you didnt go into great detail about how the early 90s impacted animation for Warner Bros and Disney. I do however agree with your views on Willams Street. I used to enjoy Space Ghost Coast to Coast and the first 3 seasons of Aqua Teen Hunger Force. Then I got order and realized they were shows marketed to stoned college kids. Since I attended an art college, everyone was raving about how groundbreaking Adult Swim shows were =P Plus, I was really anxious for part 2 cause you mentioned how youd expound on saturday morning cartoons, but it was only mentioned for a couple seconds. Overall, this video didnt seem well structured and I was expecting more mentionable cartoons of the 80s and 90s rather than just a handful. Im not sure if you were pressed for time or had other obligations while filming, but I know theres room for improvement.
  • BestNameEver
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    I agree with an earlier remark about Venture Bros. it does have it's moments of intense violence, but those instances are usually used to complete the send up of the Johnny Quest parody vibe.

    There are some good examples of current animation out there though. Clone Wars is surprisingly good, even tho it does tie into the merchandising juggernaut of Lucasfilm. South Park was mentioned as well, while not great on the animation front (they do evolve though, look at ther early seasons) they tackle subjects with everything from potty humor to actual views that make you think for a second.

    I consider myself a big fan of animation, and while I do have my guilty pleasures, I don't think animation as a whole is in the crapper. The thing is animation is a larger outlet now, so naturally more crap will get past the filter. I admit, I don't agree with all your opinions. I do, however, give you credit for being brave enough to not succumb to what may be popular opinion in presenting your thoughts.
  • Mr. Vorhias
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    While this was a great video, I take umbrage at your roping Harvey Birdman: Attorney At Law into the same category of humor as Aqua Teen and others, because Hervey Birdman contained some of the funniest and clever satires of old Hanna-Barbera cartoons I've ever seen. It may have been silly, but it was CLEVER.
  • Raymond T ThatDutchGuyWithTheTransformers  - You Go MarzGurl!
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    Actually, I agreed with everything you said in this video. Some of the things you've said have been some of my pet peeves for year!

    I just love it when a gurl talks Transformers! You can definitely have me eating out of you hand! :D (Not literally, of course. ;) )

    Just for the record, the biggest misconception in the world about Transformers is that the toys come from Japan. In reality, they don't. The concept of the Transforming toys were first registered in the United States in 1974 by Hassenfeld Brothers later known as Hasbro. These figures were supposed to be part of a GI Joe toy line, that never went off the drawing board. The concept was later sold to Japan where in 1979 the first figures appeared that later would become Transformers. They were released for the first time in Japan, but they have always been Hasbro US concepts.
  • chaossquid
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    *gasp* No Batman? No Batman?

    Totally with you on Adult Swim though. Friends have been trying to get me to watch that Flapjack show. Thanks for giving me reason not to.
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