It's been a while since we've had a "Last Time" montage on here! They make no sense, and that's what I love about them! But I must say, I love how the bums are carrying off Mr. Miracle. It's like the Bum Union are striking against superheroes for not giving them any change. Shame really!

And what's the deal with Darkseid just breaking into people's homes and sitting down? Doesn't he have anything better to do than use other people's places as a spot to rest for a while? I mean, really, he's friggen DARKSEID! How many other times has he done this? Two comics that Linkara has reviewed, but I bet there's more!

I agree with what Linkara was saying about rape in stories such as these, it's is completely unnecessary, and if I may say so, a sad and low move. Rape is a REAL problem in the world, it's disgusting and sad, so why in the world would there be a Superman comic be about that in this kind of a sense. It's unethical! Seriously, rape porn to create an army?! That's just bad taste; wrong to the nth degree!

wow, Tom Servo came clear out of the blue. not that i'm complaining

http://www.cracked.com/ article_17626_the-5- creepiest-sex-scenes-in- comics.html

enjoy!

lol I have read that article...its pretty funny if you don't take comic books seriously.


If he thought Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch was bad in Ultimatum 3, Linkara has obviously never seen The Avengers comic where Ms. Marvel is pregnant with her future love interest, Marcus Danvers who grows up rapidly and its revealed they have sex. Or had sex, either way its messed up.

Darkside is like Link, from Legend of Zelda. He breaks into peoples homes and does whatever he wants, be it smash pots or take over your couch.

Huh, I always thought he looked like Ganondorf.

I watched this episode on blip.tv, but since I can't leave comments there I waited until now to say this:

This is not me being a smartass. I just want to hear more of your thoughts on this issue.
After watching the video and reading Rachel Edidin's full article, I got the impression that both she and you consider sexual violence worse than, um, killing violence, possibly not only in fiction. I guess you can't speak for Rachel, but I can't ask her this because girl-wonder.org's comment system isn't working.
Since you never brought it up, Linkara, I'm wondering what your stance is on the use of murder as a motivation or plot device in works of fiction. I know people have the right to decide whichever is worse in their own views, and I know this comic is an especially insulting, arbitrary use of rape, but now I'm just curious what you think when it comes to tasteless murder in stupid comics.
We can get into rape vs. murder in real life too, but…yeah, we don't have to.

I wonder the same thing, i mean, the "you kill my father" is overused and nobody seems to be worry about that, but when it comes to rape everybody seems to be worried, even more than the killing violence issue...and not i'm not saying that using the rape as a cheap backstory for a character is a good idea,but i dont think is a terrible idea either, its unimportant really, it may be a cheap way out for character development,and the story may suffer by it, but it doesnt steal credibility and respect from a really serious, really important subject, as the article says (thats like saying that "dirty harry" steal credibility and respect from the violence issue), i think that its unimportant to the perception of rape in society that is used in many comics or movies, but hell what do i know
(im sorry for my english :P)

Like I said, I'm not an expert, but consider it this way - the dead are dead. People who are raped live with it.

Yeah but the death is a serious problem, not to the dead man/woman (of course) but for his/her relatives that have to live with it

Yes, but the family and loved ones of a murder victim are still alive to watch or read 90 percent of popular fiction and non fiction feature murder. But you aren't protesting that. And I understand why you don't too daunting and futile a task. But I don't see how you can let the cause you support (no rape in fiction stories) lead you to denounce a good story called [i]Identity Crisis[/i].

Well thats kind of my point, i don't care what themes a story have, as long as the story is good, because not every comic or movie that touch the theme of murder has to be like "Unforgiven", so i don't see why when i comes to rape they have to be all like "Precious"...like i said, its impossible to a movie, comic, videogame or book "to steal credibility and respect from a really serious, really important subject", because no matter how much Arnold Schwarzenegger action movies you see (if you're not a maniac of course) you will know that killing is a big deal, the same with all those rape stories

Oooh... Ah, Linkara, that's a bit of a harsh thing to say.
That's almost like saying if you rape someone, might as well kill them because then they at least don't have to live with it.

Rape victims CAN live on, they just tend to have a very twisted approach towards sex and love and their connection, in most cases if not all.

Murder is just as wrongly depicted in literature, but if there was no tragedy and everyone would just be happy and nice, or assholes for no apparent reason, I guess we couldn't sympathize with the characters, now could we?

Hmmm... very dangerous statement, good sir. But, if I may make on observation, for both sides of this...

The reason humans, in general, treat rape as a bigger disaster than murder or death in the family is a combination of things such as desensitization (because come on, there are more murders in cop shows than there are real murders in the US in a year), but at the very heart of it is one word: inevitability. Everyone dies someday. All living things do. No matter how tragic, no matter how gruesome, when one sees a murder, fictional or not, in the deepest recesses of the mind, one thinks "They're dead... so what?" It's speeding up the inevitability that everyone is aware of. Whether it's consciously recognized or not, death and murder just don't seem as tragic to an onlooker due to that way of thinking most people share.

In reality, yes, death probably spreads a lot more sorrow and has a lot more impact due to the realization that you'll never see or talk to that person again (in this life, if you're religious), but rape and sexual assault seem to be much heavier topics because it is not something that eventually happens to everyone.

Just putting in my two cents on the heart of this discussion. I personally think death is more of an issue due to personal observation, as my father and brother both were sexually violated as children and they turned out to be healthy, functioning people, but this really isn't my fight. :notfunny:

:dizzy: yep. :meow: Death is natural an necessary for life as a whole to continue.
But sexual violence is a pure dominance issue.
Rape is less about sex and more about control.
As a story method though it has to be done right.Sometimes rape is its own reason for hating the character,Like when trying to decide weather or not the comedian is a good guy or a bad guy.

If its done right it can explian its own motive.
This comic admittedly however isnt that way.
Like you said if it was about making an army for vengeance then this move is absolutely pointless,as he has the man of steel and the toughest women evar under control.

This comic would make more sense if sleaze was a frustrated women hater or something.

I was about to make a very similar comment right when I read this one. I also can't help but agree that it's not really fair to be so serious about rape while simultaneously dismissing murder and heavy violence as a natural part of the medium. I'm obviously not saying rape isn't a big deal, but in my mind murder is a much, much bigger deal simply due to the permanence of it. A rape victim may eventually recover, but a murder victim? Not so much.

I feel that people tend to take rape more seriously simply because it isn't as far outside the realm of what most of us might experience, while simultaneously being far more personal to many. On top of that, most of us haven't been as desensitized to the very idea of rape. To me it's hard to have vicarious feelings about death through the death of another, but it's much easier to be empathetic with a rape victim. Obviously this idea of taking rape more seriously in a sense carries over into our society, with games like rapelay getting outright banned, but "murder sims" thriving like never before.

Sorry for the pointless rant, but I guess I'm saying that rape, like murder, can be a very effective tool to convey strong emotion or empathy a story, but one shouldn't really be considered more "important" or "touchy" than the other.

edit: on a side note, if you want to see rape used very effectively in a Comic than Berserk by Kentaro Miura comes highly recommended. I actually quit reading for now due to the prevailing subject matter, but it's still an amazing series. It's interesting to note that, while the entire series is filled to the brim with death and violence, only the absolute pinnacles of emotional stress and despair are accented with rape.

Rape is about the gratification of the villain and the humiliation of the victim (making them feel weak or inferior), while murder has a multitude of of motivations that can be used such as greed, jealousy, fear, indifference, hate, prejudice, and vengeance. Murder is a much more flexible plot device with a much more permanent effect. Rape victims often end up having to live with what happened to them, murder victims do not.

Now don't get me wrong, these are both terrible crimes that many people face in the real world and they should be taken seriously. In the sense of story-telling however, killing a character is much more often a better option than having a character be raped because you can get the soul stirring motivation from loss, while still leaving the character with their dignity intact. Remember when Linkara brought up the death of Supergirl and how she went out swinging against the Anti-monitor? Is there any reason why rape would have been acceptable there instead of death? Is it any less serious that she died instead of being raped? No, but can rape be used in storytelling? I'm sure there are times when it can work, but here it serves no purpose. There are other ways to show that Sleeze was an evil jackass and that's what makes it so stupid.

The living can still be victimized by a murder. But I agree it is ridiculous to protest an author's use of murder in fiction-- as ridiculous as implying that any writer who uses rape in a work of fiction is a hack.

No one said that it makes you a hack, they just said that using it as an arbitrary plot device to get readers or whatever his total horseshit and makes you a douche as a writer or comic artist.

And rape is much worse to live with than murder. I have a friend whose brother was killed by a drunk driver and while he still hated drinking and driving, it doesn't cause him to shut down completely when he hears about it. A girlfriend I had on the other hand who had been drugged and violated was that way; she would shut down, she hated being touched, felt terrified when alone with men she didn't know. Rape leaves deep scars that can take a lifetime to fill.

Sex is a huge part of everyone's life - murder is not. Rape is worse because there is a much larger chance of you reliving the trauma again and again just for trying to lead a normal life.

No, murder is a way worse,and im sure that girlfriend you had,is better living with rape that dead...also your example of murder isnt exactly a good one, your friend was killed by a drunk driver, a common accident, and i'm sure the jackass doesn't indented to kill him...a good example of how murder can leave scars for years is "La violencia" in bogotá (where i live), believe me there are people who still cant forget (and probably never will) about that and it creates a environment of hate that just recently (like 15 years ago) seems to disappear...murder is horrible, and probably the worst crime you can make, and still isn't a big deal when you see it in the big screen :/ pd: i didn't intended to say that "rape isnt a big deal", so sorry if it sounded like it :

I think if I was used by someone Id prefer to end it.

Weakness is a burden,Death is a release.
The longer you endure life,th more you welcome death.
Its the natural way of things.Your greedy if dont except death as an absalute.It will happen to you.
Rape desnt have to,Its senseless and psychological problems are sure to fallow.

See my above statement. And yes, I know someone a lot like that too, and she is in fact one of my best friends; luckily, she has a loving boyfriend who is helping her get over those scars. But death is no thing to dismiss as smaller. Let me see if I can break this down...

Rape's effect on the afflicted individual is possible mental and emotional scarring, and semi-permanent coloring of their personality. The effect on those around them is strained relations and needing to provide help for them to overcome those scars.

Death's effect on the afflicted individual is the end. Finality. Non-existence. The effect of those around them is possible mental and emotional scarring, and permanent coloring of their personality.

To sum it up: rape scars one person and strains those around them; death utterly ends one person, cuts off all their potential, leaves their dreams as just words muttered over their tombstone, and scars most, if not all, of the people around them. By simple logical process, death and murder are far more impacting.

I'm not belittling rape; it is a horrible thing that has crippled several of my loved ones, and I still feel sorry for the ones it didn't cripple. Death and murder, however, is simply something that eats away at one's mind far more commonly and drastically when you're the one who has to deal with it.

Not necessarily. By logical process, the only person who feels death is the person passing not the present who is dead and has had all functions of life or possiblities snuffed out. I don't really understand this mindset, because if we're speaking of the individual's death, they will not have the chance to intensify the emotional discoarse, the certian depressions, and existential crysis that comes along with the knowledge of death or atleast anymore so after or in the direct present time of it's occurence. What Linkara's original comment was seemed to be solely based on the person's account, the reciever of either rape or death, not the onlooker. In refering to first person hypotheticals. I do agree, on a scale totally based on scientific evidence, the end is the most impactful to an organism solely because he has no choice otherwise and cannot continue to live on while rape is an event in time and does not necessarily proceed to the end. But, we're speaking of the emotional turmoil, the introspectiveness and thought involved aswell which then, by comparison of both these turmoils, rape would be the only one that doesn't end your life. It lingers and you have to deal with it as opposed to death where you can't deal with it at all at this point.

Ive had a bit of a personal experience with murder. I'm going to have to strongly (but respectfully) disagree with Linkara's sentiment that rape victims have it worse because they have to live with it. A rape victim can carry on and remain a part of their loved ones' lives, albeit with emotional scars. A murder victim has everything he or she will ever be and experience snuffed out, not to mention the devastation to their loved ones. It does seem a bit off that you can kill off any number of innocents in a work of fiction without anyone batting an eye, but rape is somehow heinous and unforgivable to include in your work. On the other hand I think StingWray made a good point. A big reason the issue is touchy is the loss of dignity and its especially uncomfortable and infuriating to have such a thing happen to heroic comic book characters you are supposed to root for and admire.

I cannot believe people are having the pain olympics over what's worse... rape or murder. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Like, there's some sort of winner in that scenario? Wow. I mean.. just wow. Families of murder victims never get to see their loved one again. Rape victims suffer problems for the rest of their lives and are at an increased risk of PTSD and suicide for the rest of their lives and their families have to deal with that. Both of those are horrific. Why does one have to be "worse" than the other?

Seriously, the reason rape in comics (and most media) is a bigger deal than murder is that A. it's rarely treated well or explored in a sensitive manner by the writer. It's there to degrade a female character, either as an end in itself or to spur some other character into action. With a murder victim, you might see the funeral, the mourning process, the court case if the killer is caught. How much less often do you see the therapy, or the nights a woman who survived rape sits home afraid to leave on her own, or her at the doctor waiting results of tests for STDs?

Also, B. rape against men is sort of handwaved, both in real life and in media, as seen here. Which is sort of connected with C. rape is an underreported and underprosecuted crime in general in which the victim is often blamed and some rapes just "don't count." When someone is killed in cold blood, no one wonders if the police will look into it. No one wonders if the victim will be taken seriously. No one suggests it's not really murder if the killer was a relative or if the victim was drunk or something.

All this makes rape trickier to *write* in a sensitive way than murder, despite both being ineffably heinous crimes. Not to suggest all people who throw in a murder are writing it in an adult way, but they generally the basics right. This... I mean, according to this comic the way to deal with rape is to just pretend it never happened. O.o

I have to agree with lissibith here.. are you people really having the "okay.. would you rather be raped or killed discussion?" They both have permanence, they both shatter the lives of the victim and their related, and they both are handled very poorly by the entertainment industry (especially in this case). All the people who are saying "rape victims recover" are shinning examples of ignorance.

Though, in this case I'm sure the writers/editors/etc were too dumb to make the connection between making porno under hypnosis and rape or else it probably wouldn't have made it into production.

*raises hand* Excuse me, rape victims DO recover. I've seen it. Both my father and older brother eventually moved on from their childhood experiences of it. My best friend is recovering from being raped at least twice. I've been helping a former girlfriend of mine recover from being raped by her [i]brother[/i] when she was a kid. The recovery is never full, but neither is the recovery from any traumatic experience. Don't say I'm ignorant when I'm all too familiar with the subject. =_=

And yes, I know it is somewhat uncomfortable to compare two tragedies. Most of the people around me have been affected by rape, but I personally have been shaped almost completely by death and the core concept of impermanence, so I know more about both than I would ever want. Honestly, that's what happened here, and some of us (me, at least) are trying to inject some sense into the whole affair, which you are only perpetuating with your own ignorance. -_-

And this is why I'm not an expert on these things - other people are much smarter than me in these arguments.

Honestly... first fully sensible thing I've seen on this page. Though, mostly this whole thing started because people were insisting that one was far worse than the other, and I've been trying to give some clarity and correct stupid. But you're right; nobody wins, they're both terrible, so let's as a community stop trying to weigh them. As an old boyfriend of mine said, "You can't compare pain."

Hi I come hero to tell you that im sorry, i really shouldn't compare rape and murder because really is meaningless (i do think one is worst than the other, but it really isn't worth talking about it :).

but, anyway, about why rape should be treated like a bigger deal, well, i don't agree because your not really taking this the right way, because we aren't dealing here about whats the bigger issue in society right now, we are dealing about whats the responsibility of the media, and you tend to confuse those. if you're talking about the responsibility of the writer in a entertainment media, well his/her only responsibility is entertain, you can make that having good characters,good story and not insulting your readers (this comic fail a this point), anything else comes to addition, but if you're talking about the informative media then they are the real responsible about the cause B (rarely -at least where i live- you see a cases in the new about rape against man) and the C is cause by familiar problems and police informative problems that the government should take care off (you can't pass that responsibility to entertainment media).

And well the A point is about seeing the context of the story, like murder isn't always treated that well in the media because it doesn't add that much in the story, take an example, in "a fistfull of dollars" (big clint eastwood fan :P) you don't see the funerals of anybody,or the effects that these murders cause in clint, and thats because it wouldn't add anything to the story (and if they include those moments it would make the message ineffectual and would add a lot of padding in to the movie), the same thing happens with rape, you can't just add all those hard moments that the victim has to overcome in every story that touch the rape issue, it has to first suit the story and then you can add them, like in pulp fiction where they deal with the rape, it is there because it suits the moment but you don't see them recovering for that because it would be pointless; and if your position is that no writer should use the rape in the story unless they're going to teach about it, well it would be silly and it will end just like the recycling issue, where almost every movie about it end like pretentious or boring the audiences(and the message ends like ineffectual and forgettable). Like i said if a story is good and the rape issue is managed well (or at least not insulting the audience) i don't have a problem

pd:sorry for the english ^^

I feel like this is supposed to be a bender joke of sorts (given your avatar), but right now you're just coming off as a jerk.

Thought I might just as well add my thoughts to the discussion... well, it's the comments section so I'm doing it anyway X_X.

In real life both rape and murder are horrible and life-destroying crimes. But the thing about murder is that sometimes it can be in self-defense or can be accident etc etc. but rape is deliberate and aggressive for a singular purpose. There may be a justified reason for murder but there is never a justified reason for rape. Ever.

However, I think in any serious fiction that isn't written by an idiot with no storytelling ability (although there are a lot of them out there... :dizzy: ), murder is treated seriously with heavy gravitas and is represented comparatively close to reality with the consequences and the act itself impacting greatly on the individuals involved. If you're going to put rape in a story, it SHOULD be treated with the exact same gravitas and shown as a serious crime which is treated as such (no matter what the characters involved think). However, most rape in fiction is used as a [i]shallow[/i] plot device and is thrown away just as casually to justify a certain pairing of characters or a certain development. Although both crimes should be treated as seriously as the other, rape is treated a lot more cheaply than murder, and is often used in ridiculous and pathetic ways.

Let's just say, if there had been murder in this comic it would have been treated much more seriously than the rape. ... yeah, the writer of this comic is a fucking twat.

This comic sounds like a slash fic. Ugh.

sound the rape horn!!!

As sick as this was, he couldn't resist it:

[img]http:// pix.motivatedphotos.com/ 2009/8/19/ 633862850764895315- Tucker.jpg[/img]

Feel free to punch him... :snicker:

Ba-dum-ba-dummmmmm!!

Seriously though, this comic is just ... nasty. There are certain things I don't want to think about in this world, and Superman and Big Barda porn is one of those things. I, like you Linkara, can't even imagine what the editor, or writer, or whoever came up with this was thinking.

Also, it's been quite a while since we've seen a "previously on" segment. It was nice to see another and I liked this one quite a lot. Good review, although I really hope the next comic just sucks, instead on being ... just plain wrong.

=D Another entertaining review from Linkara!
And I'm loving the Cinema Snob cameos! :kawaii:
I have only met Darkseid in your reviews and its funny that one is supposed to respect this character but all I've seen of him has made me only laugh.

And wow this is shameful. Really, really bad taste writers. Really bad taste.

Darkseid really is a badass, just read Superman/Batman: Supergirl, or watch the Superman Animated series or the Justice League cartoon, they show off what Darkseid is way better than a crap series like Countdown, or a crap comic from the 80's

Thank you for reffering me to other outlets. =)

AAWWWWW - but I love your rants!

Also, I was definitely grooving to the closing credits :)

This review had me feeling a mixture of both disgust and anger. Before this review I had no idea that this storyline existed. I don't mind the occasional dark storyline, but this just felt like it crossed a line.

Maybe it's me, but when a comic I'm reading takes this kind of turn with characters I like, it's almost enough to make me stop reading entirely.

And yes, rape is a real issue and comics have never been one to completely ignore the horrors of society. But, seriously, Superman and Big Barda being mind controlled into making a porno is the most aggravating thing I've heard since Spider-man's deal with Mephisto.

Also dug the credit music. Makes everyone who hears it, I think, want to perform that iconic dance.

I love your last time time segments... I also think that was a great gift your brother got you... I hope it appears again.

I also enjoyed the Cinema Snob cameo.

Yet another great episode.

"Today, Darkseid gueststars in a very special episode, of (TELEVISED PROGRAM TITLE REMOVED)"


Granted, when I saw Tom, I was hoping he'd have a bit part, but regardless, congrats on the birthday gift, your brother rocks!

As for the review itself, squick all around, and for the love of Death, you don't need an army when you somehow have The Man of Steel at your beck and call. I mean, it'd be like some villan, somehow manages to get the radio version of The Shadow under his control, and instead of forcing The Shadow to use his abilities to cloud men's minds in order to steal anything he wanted, he uses him to deliver notes!

Awesome Call for the Cinema Snob Cameo XD

Haha, I always love your "Previously on..." segments. =D

Is that really Tom Servo or is it a replica?

Replica, but he works exactly like the original did (then again, they had several Tom Servo components back in the day due to Tom being, well, kind of fragile).

Awesome gift. I hope to see it in the show again. Maybe you can get Josh Weinstein to guest star for an episode?

Love the Star Trek II theme playing during the "Last Time" segment!

BRILLIANT! =D

I just love the whole movie in general and almost everything in it, including the music! XD

Rape story line?

Delightful, simply delightful...

In all seriousness. I HATE rape (implied or explicit) being tossed into comics (or almost any media). Most of the times is disrespectful, misogynist comes out as a tasteless gimmick to seem "dark and edgy" or a cheap drama bomb.

It can be done (MAYBE) but it requires a extremely talented writer with a lot of knowledge on the subject and ability to deliver the proper tone on the matter.

There have been several times that I almost throw "Berserk" away because of this.

dude, what are you talking about? Berserk deals with rape in an extremely effective manner. Guts was raped as a child and we can track the damage it did to his character throughout the entire story. Being raped also completely destroyed caska's character. The main reason people have problems with rape seems to be that the author doesn't portray the subject matter as anything more than a gimmick, but Berserk shows rape for exactly what it is, a crippling and life long emotional and psychological impairment.

Couple that with the fact that the author himself created the comic as a life-long endeavorer, takes great care in the way he portrays different themes and ideas in Berserk, and had personal experience with sexual abuse (from what I understand), I doubt he included it as a way to look edgy. I'll admit that the author probably could have used a bit more subtly, but that's more of an aesthetic preference than anything.

Nobody said Berserk was an easy read, but that doesn't mean it's cheap or trashy.

I should have phrased this WAY better. Mea culpa.

Don't get me wrong. I like Berserk a lot (It's among my favorite mangas), I agree with how rape is portrayed there is WAY more realistic in it's effects and ramifications than in other series. It wasn't used as cheap drama, or even worst, as something tantalizing or a fetish. It's a very well written, astonishingly well draw story.

That being said, it did hit me the wrong way the first time I took the books.

I will admit that I'm very uneasy about the subject and how is treated in the media, and until that point, I had yet to encounter a well written fiction piece on the matter. I will admit that I misinterpreted Berserk on a first reading. As you said, it's a very tough story.

I PERSONALLY had to put aside the books and read something a lot bit more light hearted after things like the Eclipse or the Quilpoth arc and after those parts I do kinda considered dropping the book (I ended taking it back after a few weeks of cooling things off).

I never intended to lump Berserk on the same batch of books that use rape as a drama bomb or as a sexual thing.

I merely wanted to stand that I didn't take the subject that well on there.

I sincerely hope that Superboy-Prime punched this comic out of continuity.

You, sir, have the coolest brother in the world. Where did he even find such an awesome looking Servo?!

When Mister Miracle was carried off by the hobos, I was surprised Chester A. Bum didn't appear.

Great review Linkara.

that Sleeze is one creepy guy

I can't believe someone would go so low as to put in rape in a comic book. Maybe if it was a mature kind of comic, but this really takes the cake.

BTW, I was hoping that maybe you could lookover Sabrina meets Sonic. Just thought I would throw that in there as a suggestion.

This sounds like a horrible fanfic gone wrong. What makes it worse is since it's real it's going to have a fate similar to a crappy fanfic when you just try to forget it and ignore it so it doesn't ever come up again. Plus the part I find most odd is the cover since those two scenes were not in that setting and not at the same time period at all, but at least it made for an interesting cover I suppose.

Also I wonder what Jack Kirby's opinion on this issue was. He was by all accounts a really nice guy and I guess he wouldn't mind people writing his characters in an odd way but this is pushing decency on what you should do for a story. The almost (I'm guessing this was an almost thing) sex between Superman and Barda due to mind control makes it a little better since they didn't cheat purposely or willingly (though it makes it much more icky).

But I guess it could have been worse and to me this seems less bad than what happened to Barda and Scott in Countdown (at least one can assume that the solo act was strictly solo and Sleez has no genitalia).

Anyway I do agree with you here on this one, it was a nasty ickfest which is just bizarre and an all around crazy story that was pretty much centered on rape. This seemed kinda short though and I was expecting it to be worse.

Oh God, why on Earth would you want LESS content and LESS depth?? If you suffer from ADD then I apologise, but otherwise, there's no excuse for such idiocy.

Yo Linkara, nice work as usual, and WTF is wrong with this comic!!!?
This is just WTF all over again; like the time Superman with a man punched that robot and uttered, I AM A MAN! This could even contend to the time with Diehard teabagging that guy!

Your Brother is awesome for getting you that Tom Servo.

The review was great as well, I love the "Previously On" segment before it too. =D

At no point was it played for laughs...I can get general distaste for the use of rape as a comic plot device, but at no point did the comic drop into wacky-super-fun-rape-o- matic territory....it was supposed to be distasteful and wrong and it was.

Ahhhh, I was looking forward to this one. Not the whole rape thing, that's horrifying, but your reaction, and most of all my agreement on your points.

Also, I may have an argument for Sleeze and his army, however pointless or illogical it would be. I like to place Sleeze into the trope, Complete Monster, which I'm sure you're aware of yourself, being a troper and all. I'll bet he DID think about just simply using Superman and Barda, but Complete monsters are on a wave length of "hey, let's ruin some lives in the process", so while he COULD have used Superman and Barda alone (hell, JUST Superman would have done), he just wanted to ruin some lives in the process.

You're over thinking things. Sleeze - to me anyway, - comes off as a super powered rapist. (Hell, in the end of the flashback with Darksied, he was obviously in between someones legs at the time of banishment. Not to mention that he's completely unstable.) It's not just a perversion, it's a compulsion for many-if not all-rapists. He probably didn't even think about it, his mind being more obsessed with... Well you know.

Yes Aspen. What quality stories. Very popular, too.

I review both new and old. Countdown and Amazons Attack were 2007. All-Star batman and Robin was 2004. Ultimates 3 was 2008.

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Oh, you really shouldn't have done that, Xavier... (Anyone who doesn't know what I mean, read the teaser to this episode on Linkara's website.)

Thank you for bring back the last time segments.