What I found atrocious, regarding the "avoiding death" trope of 4Kids, was about Nami's mother, Bellemere, in One Piece. Over the course of two episodes, we learned about her, and we saw Arlong kill her. In the 4Kids version, those two episodes were condensed into one, and she was instead sent to a dungeon. Way to tease your audience into thinking there's hope for her, 4Kids.

In the sub it was a really emotional, powerful scene. Which of course means they have to ruin it.

Although to be fair, there was no way 4Kids could show that scene in the first place. A kids network buying the rights to an adult show like One Piece is a bad idea from the start.

Most certainly. Hell, Luffy has to use his own blood in order to combat Crocodile.

4Kids really should have taken a step back and realized just how much blood they were removing from every single freaking episode. Maybe then they would've come to the conclusion that they made a big mistake by taking on One Piece.

Also, have fun with the Skypeia arc, where the top position in the government is "God."

4kids never dubbed the Skypeia arc, that was FUNimation.

When it was on TV, they replaced "god" with "king" to avoid religious controversies. In the uncut FUNi dub, they refer to him as God.

4kids dubbed some of the One Piece videogames that had Eneru in it, and they called him the Sky Lord.

They also gave one of his "Priests"(Knights in the 4kids dub) a Barney the Dinosaur voice.

Oh, I forgot about that.

But still, 4kids didn't dub the arc. And I really wonder how they would do it with the whole Bellamy scenes and stuff...

In said videogames, they did have someone dub Bellamy, and it was positively atrocious. Yeah, 4kids is generally pretty bad, but 4kids Bellamy was notably horrid, like their Sanji, Usopp, and Chopper's Man form. =_=

http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=aAkfq7bTmp8

Here's proof.

EDIT: Sorry, "Knights" was what they called Eneru's Priests in the edited Funimation dub, in the 4kids games, they were called "Vassels".
My bad.

[quote=uknownada]4kids never dubbed the Skypeia arc, that was FUNimation.

When it was on TV, they replaced "god" with "king" to avoid religious controversies. In the uncut FUNi dub, they refer to him as God.[/quote]

Quite right. I was referring more along the lines of "just wait until 4Kids gets to that point." Fortunately, they never did, and they dropped the project after Arabasta, and it's a good thing they did.

I haven't watched that ark, but I"m pretty sure they could have just called him a king or something

From my understanding, One Piece is considered a children's show in Japan, but as Marzgurl said in the first video, what Japan thinks that kids can handle is different than what the US think kids can handle.

Oh gosh now I feel like a derp for posting my comment XD;;;; Mine's all TL;DR when yours is short and sweet ;A; *doesn't feel like deleting it though* orz

We have the right to say our opinions... I mean that last 4 kids videos was just 12 minutes of
'' American versions of anime intros suck and Japanese originals versions rocks because they are Japanese''

And we have a lot of videos of '' This thing sucks'' in youtube, and I expect better from the
people on this site! I mean even I can do a video like the first part of the 4kids videos!

If you are going to say ''this sucks'' try to give us a reason for you to said it!We are not asking for a deep explanation, just more of a reason than '' the Japanese intro is better because its Japanese''

And I don't mind that Mr Popo thing ( they should have done a better job tough...) because that was a really freaking racist!

And don't go and say '' I don't see anything wrong with that drawing'' Because chances are that you white people have never been victim of racism! So you wouldn't know about it!

it's shonen, so that pretty much puts it in the kids-young teens demographic. I'd say that One Piece has quite a few more older fans than the typical shonen fair, however, between the insane manga sales numbers and the sheer length of time the series has been running. It seems impossible to me that the entire fan base is comprised almost entirely of kids. Also, for what it's worth, One piece is the only strictly shonen manga I still bother with (unless you consider hunter x hunter strictly shonen).

Yeah, it's demographic is "Shounen" In Japan which is 10+, honestly though I think 4kids tends to edit it down to a demo like 5-8

[i]A kids network buying the rights to an adult show like One Piece is a bad idea from the start.[/i]

Well, I dunno if I would call One Piece an Adult's show. I mean by America's standards, you'd be totally right, but in Japan it's generally for all ages; adults, teens and children watch it without a problem from their folks. (They've even had One Piece toys in Happy Meals over there)

But yeah, I don't think they should have acquired the rights to it at all :( They even make Changes to Doremi (or Magical Do, Re, Mi) and that show's VERY tame in the Japanese version, even by (the rest of) America's standards.

One Piece is featured in "Shonen Jump" which means it was marketed towards young boys

So did Luffy kill Bellemaire when he destroyed Arlong park?

No.





[SPOILER]
Bellemere was killed by Arlong because she sacrificed herself for Nami and Nojiko.[/SPOILER]

I think what Mcmadness meant was that the 4Kids version would imply that she died when Arlong Park was destroyed. As TV Tropes would say: Unfortunate Implications.

I'm guessing Mcmadness is referring to Bellemere being in a dungeon.

I am.
Its a major plot hole in the 4kids version.

alright alright 5 bucks says there is either a character in that mew mew stuff named Bill, Louis, or Francis that would be a funny coincidence. XD

the edit was shoddy indeed. I mean they expect us to forget about this person who was locked in a dungeon?

4Kids truly does turn everything they touch to animated Crap, Dont They? :grr:

I don't understand what all the hate has been about. the first video I saw by you was part 1 of this and every update day I stay up till 1 am just to see if the next part is on here. You've made me a fan! Just keep ripping into 4kids, They deserve it.

Mr. Popo for Pepsi Blue!

(Yes, inspired by Brad's video! I'm sure I wasn't the only one who thought that!)

[b][/b][i][/i][u][/u] [color=fuchsia][/color] [size=x-large][/size] No you wasn't, and A BLUE MR.POPO!!! WHAT THE FUCK KIA!!??!!! WTF!!!! He should be for Pepsi blue though. But, why does he have be FREAKING BLUE!!! I didn't have a problem with him being black.But, WHY DO ES HE HAVE TO BE FREAKING BLUE!?! Why CW?WHY!!!???!!!!! Someone. please tell me! :zombie: :evil: :grr: :talkbiz: :flame:

I wasn't expecting Paw-type analysis on wether the theme song changes were nessisary or improved or whatever, but now I'm curious what he thinks on the subject. To the "Ask Paw" thread in the forums! (60's Batman style scene transition) :music:

Anyway, nice vid, Marz. I actually remember that scene when I first saw the 4Kids One Piece and wondering "What is that?" I also can't believe Popo is blue. (I'm blue, abide abidi abade abidi abide abidi)

I found a 4Kids edit of Yu-Gi-Oh on youtube taht really baffles me. It wasn't even bad or anything. It was a lighthearted scene in the date episode where Yugi is getting ready to meet Tea while Yami teases him on how to get Tea to like him. It also shows Yugi's mother for a second! And what does 4Kids do? Yup, edit out Yugi's mother and turn the conversation into a friendship speech and how they must face challenges.

They probably wanted to keep the theme of "friendship" and not want to cast a character who only appears once in the whole series.

Also, the manga was pretty big on Friendship as well, considering that's the entire point of the first chapter and is prevalent in many chapters afterwards. You think friendship was a 4kids concept? No, Yugioh is pretty much "Darkness" this and "friendship" that in Japan as well

Marzgurl, sorry to be a Douchy McNitpick, but that "James Crossdressing" episode HAS aired on American TV. What 4kids did was just remove the questionable scene and pretend it never happened.

But unlike the last one, this one I agree completely with. The death edits in some ways make sense, but it's weird how 4kids avoids it like the plague. I mean, in many movies for kids death has a permanent presence that affects the characters and contributes to the plot development (like in Bambi, Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, Up, Wall-E...THE FREAKING TRANSFORMERS MOVIE! PRIME DIED FOR OUR SINS! T_T ). I guess they don't want kids to be sad so early in the morning, but still. They could have handled it better without erasing it altogether.

I also agree COMPLETELY about One Piece. I bet that 4kids heard that the show was popular and licensed it without truly researching it, and when they did all hell broke loose. It goes to show you that just because something looks "childish" it doesn't mean it is.

May we all honor the fallen Prime. May his Spark live on in all of us, amen. :l

that Pokemon episode did air here? I don't remember that. well, I remember James dressing as a woman a, but never in a bathing suit.

speaking of which, in the Japanese version, how exactly did James....uh.....DO that? I mean.....in that clip that Marzgurl showed us........they looked so real....how exactly did he do that?

anyway, that thing about Jinx reminded me that I always used to wonder why they never ever showed the one with Jinx in it when I was a kid. it got really annoying that I never got to see it. this however explains every thing.



and I can't believe Rouge is in to S&M. that.....that just....for some reason, that just makes her seem a lot more awesome.....

The magic of cartoons is something not to be questioned.

Well, Team Rocket are masters of disguise! xD Really, [i]really[/i] good make-up to hide where the fake breasts connect to his real chest?

Make up can do wonders

They made Popo blue?

[i]They made Popo blue?![/i]

My dear god, that's sad. I don't even know what to say to that. All I can do is facepalm.

But I bet Team Four Star will make a wicked joke out of it.

On an unrelated note, it seems that Marzgurl has a bit of a hatedom around here. Well, for all it's worth, I think you're great; I really love these editorial-style videos, and anime/manga is sorely lacking in representation here. So yeah, keep up the good work.

(The only thing I have to complain about is that you were [I]so close[/I] to an "In America" joke. But it's understandable, as it wouldn't really fit the tone of the rest of the video.)

Don't worry WarxePB. Team Fourstar already knows about blue Mr. Popo. Search for "Holy Blue on a Popo" on Youtube is you want to see what a mean. =)

Seriously though, like I think I've said before, I can understand a couple edits to a show to make it presentable on American TV, but what 4Kids did is absurd and ridiculous, especially One Piece. They shouldn't have licensed it in the first place, becuase even watching a few episodes would tell you it isn't 4Kids, at least not in America.

That avoidance of death, cutting some important violence down, and skipping of episodes also made me extremely mad at 4Kids. They completely ruined Nami's backstory with Bellemare in too many ways to count. They took away the impact Nami's past had on the watcher. They also seriously decreased the mood and importance of Chopper's past by removing how beat up Chopper was after getting the mushroom and the whole thing with Hiriluk's poisoning.

That's not even mentioning the fact that they skipped the Laboon and Little Garden arcs. Both of those are extremely important to later arcs and the story in general, have important character development for Usopp, and are key to parts of the main Alabasta story.

Anyway, I should probably stop before I really get on a tangent. Good video Marzgurl. I'm looking forward to your final video in the series. Finish it off strong. =)

I feel like I'm a bit too harsh on poor Marzgurl, so let me get my thoughts straight: Marzgurl is way too "otaku" for an unbiased opinion on anything. Her video on Power Rangers basically boiled down to "Power Rangers sucks, because its not Japanese! Look what they did to Sentai, the heathens"

when in reality, even the Japanese like Power Rangers more than Sentai, at least in some cases.

If there's one thing you should know by now, Marzgurl, it's not to get butthurt by negative comments. If negative comments toward your videos bug you, it's best to ignore them. Not all criticism is constructive, I'm sure you know that, don't let people discourage your work.

That said, I've got a few issues here, as well.

A) Like you said, most people who are "true anime fans," as you've been putting it, aren't in the age bracket that 4Kids aims for. Is it wrong that they're taking existing properties and Americanizing them? In some ways, yes. But here's the thing... This has been happening for decades. Gatchaman became Battle of the Planets and G-Force, GoLion became Voltron, whatever the Hell the Japanese version of Samurai Pizza Cats was called became... Samurai Pizza Cats... Macross became Robotech.

Are the changes as severe as the 4Kids edits? They can be. But you know, people grew up with these shows and love them. Is it wrong for them to still love them even though they're totally rewritten versions of other shows that were cleaned out for them? No, not at all. I'm not saying 4Kids is in the right, or that they shouldn't be criticized for their nonsense. I'm saying that they introduced anime to an entire generation of kids, and those kids grow up, and may choose to look further into anime like many of us have. These shows aren't aimed at us, regardless of whether the originals were or not.

B) Why is this a problem nowadays? I mean, years ago I can imagine it'd be near impossible to get a hold of the original cuts of some anime. But now? If 4Kids butchered a show you liked, the entire series is very likely available online subtitled, probably even legally through many sites. Shows are getting fansubs days after their air dates in Japan these days, so really, 4Kids isn't a problem anymore, not for people who are interested in seeing the original shows.

C) Certain things are acceptable in some countries, and rather taboo in others. Japan may be A-okay with characters mentioning S&M or a character looking like a blatantly stereotypical black dude... But that kind of thing doesn't fly on children's shows over here. I know, many of these weren't meant for kids, but that's the market they're going for when they're brought over.

Of course, like you said, some edits are extreme, like Popo's dye job. But really, the act itself isn't a bad thing by default. Times change, and audiences change. There's no denying that we live in a much more politically correct America than we did when we were growing up, and I completely understand why they edit characters like Popo... Thing is, they could've done a MUCH better job, he looks completely hilarious.

I don't mean to whine or rant, I'm just saying, this whole thing seems a little unwarranted nowadays. Does the company suck for butchering some shows? Yeah, they do. But most of us are adults now, of course t...

While I agree with everything you said, you have to remember that back in the day there was no internet, so we didn't know what was edited or what wasn't. The only ones that knew were the hardcore fans that imported anime from Japan, and they were very, very small. Now, with YouTube, people like MarzGurl and JesuOtaku, sites like Anime News Network and the like these sort of things are common knowledge and thus it bothers people far more.

Again, due to the limited information back in the day we grew up believing that these classic shows were that way and were original. We learn as adults that they were indeed edited, but by then the original, uncensored version is available and thus the complains become null and void.

This is where the 4kids dubbing becomes a problem. While we can buy unedited versions of Gatchaman and other series we can't buy Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon and other series uncut due to the company's tenacity of releasing the "clean" version only (One Piece and Dragon Ball Z were the exceptions).

Sure, we can buy unedited Gatchaman... Nearly thirty years after the fact. I understand what you're saying and I agree, but we're living in an age where you can find anything you want with a simple Google search. This would've been a huge problem years ago, but now it's not really a big deal. If you want One Piece uncut, just search "One Piece episodes uncut," or "Japanese One Piece episodes" and I guarantee you'll get more than a handful of links. It WAS a problem, but now... Not so much.

Well, like she's pointed out. One of the main problems is with the fact that 4Kids hardly ever releases anything on DVD, even the things they do right. When they do it's maybe the first six episodes if you're lucky, and they never offer uncut versions.

Yes you can usually find uncut versions online with ease nowadays, but they're usually fansubs, and while I'll take what I can get, I frankly prefer dubs.

No, as a matter of fact I don't care if they change a few names like Jonuichi to Joey, no I don't care if the voice actors aren't as good as the originals, I don't speak Japanese, so I can't judge a voice actor speaking Japanese. If I did speak Japanese then I wouldn't care what dubbing companies did, I'd just watch the originals.

Also, Samurai Pizza Cats is a poor example, the changes were actually largely the fault of the Japanese studio that made the original Cat Ninja Legend Teyandee, because they never gave the dubbers the scripts. So they just had to roll with it and basically produced the very first Yu-Gi-Oh! abridged series, making it an affectionate parody. And for what it is, it's actually a great show.

The problem with 4Kids is their extremism. I'm fine with minor content shifts, like the joke change in Sonic X about S&M. It's still funny either way and Rouge honestly jokes about Topaz being an 'old hag' in the Japanese version most of the time too.

But it's where they change a lot of fundamentals of the series, like the Yami/Yugi character development scenes which become generic friendship scenes that changes the heart of the show.

And while I do agree that nowadays a lot of this can be found online, especially fansubbed, there is a problem with that too. As Marsgurl herself has mentioned, piracy is a huge problem with Anime and Manga (possibly moreso in the latter's case). While legal sites like Hulu and Crunchroll do exist for streaming anime, 4Kids seldom releases subtitled or uncut versions.

Heck, Hulu has Sonic X subtitled up to episode 29 at this point. And the subs are a little dry, but still (mostly) accurate. But their editing department is still at it, removing text and leaving nothing in its wake (which is baffling).

The problem isn't Hulu or CR or sites like that. It's the fact that fansubs don't pay studio's bills. I could import all the Sonic X CDs I wanted from Japan but I wouldn't be able to understand them, and with 4Kids not offering the Japanese uncut version, two things happen - 1. They don't get my money for their product and 2. Niether do the Japanese animation studios.

At least my Crunchyroll account supports the studios whos' anime I watch through their services and both of them can still accumulate ad revenues through free accounts.

I'm definitely not in the target age range for these shows on the American side, but on the Japanese side, the more mature humor and themes can still speak to me even when I'm well over the same demographic level in Japan.

Digimon, put out by Saban, did have a number of changes made even musically. Yet, it has aged much better than Pokemon and Yugioh to me. Why is that? Because Saban still kept the heart of Digimon in tact and they made edits that made sense. While they too shied away from death for the most part, they didn't make philosophers into wisecrackers (See Meowth) and even kept in a surprising chunk of what violence there was in the show (Such as Tai being struck by his folks for endangering his little sister.)

They changed names - Taichi to Tai, Hikari to Kari, and so on, but even that I can forgive. It was more an abbreviation of the names and Matt and Izzy honestly look like that could have been their names.

4Kids changed a BLACK NURSE JOY white. Wanna talk racism?

I don't find that S&M joke funny at all. It's way too blunt to be of any comical value, do the Japanese honestly like their jokes with no subtlety.

Take a look at William Shakespeare for example:

Petruchio: Come, come, you wasp! In faith you are too angry!
Katherina: If I be waspish, best beware my sting!
Petruchio: My remedy then is to pluck it out!
Katherina: Hah! If the fool could find where it lies!
Petruchio: Who knows not where a wasp doth wear his sting? In his tail!
Katherina: In his tongue!
Petruchio: Whose tongue?
Katherina: Yours! -if you talk of tales, and so farewell!
Petruchio: What? With my tongue in your tail?

Now THAT'S how you do a dirty joke.

The joke is blunt because that's how Japanese works, it's a different culture, a different sense of humor, a different language with different grammar/sentence structure. They do wordplay too (like your oh-so-pretentious bit of Shakespeare dialogue (yes I KNOW it's about eating out someone's ass, but it doesn't make your example any less pretentious)) but it's more about hacky puns/homonyms like "We would all eat nasu (eggplant) if it were up to Nyasu (Meowth)".

It's just...different. =_=

you, my friend, hit the nail on the head

with a hammer gun =D

[quote=Lotus Prince]Most certainly. Hell, Luffy has to use his own blood in order to combat Crocodile.

4Kids really should have taken a step back and realized just how much blood they were removing from every single freaking episode. Maybe then they would've come to the conclusion that they made a big mistake by taking on One Piece.

Also, have fun with the Skypeia arc, where the top position in the government is "God."[/quote]

LOL! For a second there I misunderstood your statement, but I will still state this:"4kids dubbing one-piece is no different from the 90s cartoon adaptations of Batman, Savage Dragon, X-men, Mortal Kombat(shutters), or Jim Lee's Wild C.A.T.S. They're taking material intended for an older audience and making it more accessible for kids.

Other dubbing companies have taken anime akin to One-Piece and have dubbed and edited them by removing the blood induced, and nude filled scenes.

...Have you ever actually seen Batman: The Animated Series, by some chance? I mean, it's not Dark Knight Returns, but it's awfully dark. Hell, The Brave and the Bold is dark. Go watch Chill of the Night. Feels like a lost TAS episode. I don't think there's been a purely light hearted Batman cartoon since TAS popped up.

^^Yeah, I'm also going to have to disagree. There is, in fact, a big difference between dubbing an existing show and adapting a source material from a different medium. With the latter, you are free to create your own product as long as you stay true to the source material. Nobody complains about B:TAS of X-Men TAS because they were excellent adaptations, and were excessable to kids and older audiences. With One Piece however, and any dubbed product for that matter, the episodes are already produced in their entirety in their native language, so there's much less wiggle room for changes. A dub should not be treated like an adaptation, which is how 4Kids treats most of their liscenced material.

There's definitely a difference between an American show that was toned down for kids in the beginning, and a Japanese show that has its entire plot altered in order to be "suitable" for kids.

To answer your question about 4Kids only acquiring One Piece because they heard it was popular, the answer is "yes, they did".
In an interview with ANN, executive VP Mark Kirk revealed that was exactly the case.

Also, 4Kids didn't change episode of Luffy's backstory. It was still episode 4. If you want to get into what they did change... two words: Little Garden.

I'm actually amazed about Blue Popo. Even in the old "another dimension" DBZ Popo WAS BLACK. And Goku had a halo.

Funny too because for a short time DBZ was on Kids WB (cross promo with the RIP Toonami) and did not have edited Popo.

I hope they don't bring back great one liners such as "I can see their parachutes, they're ok!"

Heh, I remember watching that episode of Pokémon when I was a kid (knowing close to nothing about Japanese food or culture), thinking "What? How is that a doughnut? It looks nothing like one."

Lol, i think I may have thought "is that what Donuts look like in Japan?"

Looking forward to next week.

I saw Popo being blue on Youtube...I just...I mean...I'm...DAMN Speechless. Fucking...Fucking 4Kids man...

4kids is barely around anymore at all. They're just not that good at what they do, and that appears to extend to business management. (Marz went into some of that in the first episode). As for how the original creators feel about the changes- that probably runs the gamut of human emotion, but ultimately, they allow it to go through. If they were too bent out of shape about it, they'd stop doing business with 4kids altogether.

I agree with you on the edits. My friend and I actually thought those goons in YGO were pointing dramatically at Kaiba. Granted that isn't completely out of the show's realm, but seriously? Guns? I think the kiddies can handle that.

I never noticed Bandit Keith's cross remained intact. Because he's so blantantly American? WTF 4kids?

Most of the changes in names I can understand, and I accept it. Except Zoey. That's just stupid.

I really don't get why when shows are broad-casted a lot of the show remains intact, but when 4kids gets a hold of of them, they has to be hacked, slashed, rearranged, and censored. It gets to the point where when we look back on it, we feel our intelligence was being insulted.

The changed show works better for some works, and worse for others e.i. Sonic X, One Piece, and Tokyo Mew Mew.

Also how the hell is James able to make his chest look like that? O_O (Me thinks he's hiding a secret...)

Bandit Kieth is not American...He's Canadian!(ask Little Kuriboh) =D

Also to answer your question about James's "enhancements" they were fake, inflatible, and life-like boobies.

though that doesn't answer the question about why he has such wide hips....

Yay! You showed the Hammer Gun Thingy (as I call), man that is the worst edit of all time with One Piece that doesn't have to do with plot holes...

Sigh... if only you talked about cutting the Laboon Arc and to lesser extent the Little Garden Arc... not because those arcs were cut, but rather the plot holes that were caused because of them. (Especially the Laboon Arc because what happens later on).

I actually heard that Oda made Laboon relevant later in the series precisely because 4Kids wrote him out. I'm not sure if that's true, but if it is, then that's amazing. The creator of the show actually trolled the idiotic company that ruined it. :)

Hammer Gun wasn't too bad upon the first viewing. It seemed to fit the somewhat wacky atmosphere of the world (they use snails for phones in that world)

of course, looking over it, you can tell its kinda shoddily done

I know DiC, not 4Kids, did it, but my favorite edit is still from Sailor Moon, when they made Neptune and Uranus cousins but failed to remove the romantic scenes.

I really just don't understand why these companies just don't lisence shows that are aimed at their target audience, instead of taking shows for older audiences and dumbing them down.

Obviously incest is more acceptable than homosexuality. =_= But wait they were still lesbians weren't they? Dear God....Lesbocest! :zombie: I have just blown my own mind.

You mentioned the horrifying death fingers! I am so happy right now!

Anyways, these videos have been most enjoyable. I like them and look forward to the last one.

Seriously, 4Kids... what the hell?

Even though the 4Kids version of Yu-Gi-Oh! cut a lot of "non kid-friendly" stuff and focused more on friendship than the original, I like how they translate death from the manga into getting banished into the Shadow Realm. Now, what would you prefer: dying or having your soul trapped in an unknown realm full of monsters and demons with almost no way out whatsoever. I'd think I prefer dying, thank you 4Kids. Thank you for making death look like a walk in a park being compared to what is essentially the Yu-Gi-Oh! version of being kissed by a dementor. Way to make it child-friendly! =D

That's not just them. A lot of shows for kids through the ages didn't kill anyone off- but that left a lot of room for fates worse than death. Women in GI Joe LOST THEIR FACES, villains in Savage Dragon got encased in titanium, etc. Seriously, shows where nobody ever died gave me nightmares. People really need to rethink what will frighten a child. (Or overly sensitive adults :scared: )

couple that with the fact that they never rescue half of the people sent to the "shadow realm"

Poor Bonz.

Then again, I believe in the JPN version, Bakura actually sends him to Hell, so that has to suck.

One thing I will never understand is how 4kids's own original shows are well-written, take their audiences seriously and even had adult themes/jokes added in to broaden the audience, but whenever a show comes from Japan, none of this stuff is okay.

Different teams, maybe?

Marzgurl the edit where you thought they didnt edit the gun in the Coby scene of One Piece; that is actually a clamp not a gun... of course crushing one's head with a clamp is far worse than a gun.

anyway
4kids is the reason why I wont even watch anime on TV stations. Not only do they do a piss poor job, they are quite slow at it. Thankfully Funi dubs one piece the moment it airs in japan and streams it on their site. Though I am much further than that because of the manga... god I love the manga.

Y'know, something occurred to me as I was watching this.

I remember growing up reading fairy tales and Bible stories where a fair amount of people got whacked, sent to hell, or terribly injured. There were also the American Girl book series, where it was pretty much guaranteed that one person was gonna end up dead (creepiest going to Kirstin). When I was a bit older, I would watch the news that talked about murders, shootings, etc, but mainly I was glued to Animal Planet where I got to watch cute little animals either get hunted down or die in the emergency room. In my early teens, I would watch 'Dateline' or '48 hours' mystery with my parents. My pets would die and I even had to go to a few funerals.

Thing is, I am seeing a growing trend of shying children away from the concept of death, and 4kids is an excellent example of a company attempting to do so. Pardon me for beating a dead horse, but I find it astounding that these people (including the overprotective parents) think that children can't handle death, when it's such an integral part of life. "Circle of life" and all that jazz. *sigh*

I agree completely. And your list there shows it even more clearly that yes, kids do hear about death all the time, it's impossible to protect them.

And I'd go as far as to say it's HARMFUL to protect them. All you end up doing is making death seem even worse. It's scary as hell if the adults won't even talk about it and immediately try to shield you from the truth when it occurs. And even if they manage to protect you, it'll just make the blow worse when the kid finally finds out about death.

Just tell them that the dead people go to Heaven and they'll be happy there and it's sad because we won't see them in a long time but we will get to meet them when we go to Heaven too. Modify according to your religion or other world view of choice if needed. Something like that the kids can understand and they'll know why the adults find it so sad when someone dies, but won't see it as something horrible.

Atheist: When you die, you cease to exist, and the worms will eat your body and no one will remember you

Kid: WAAAAH!

I remember getting a chuckle out of the TV edit for Outlaw Star.

In the original, a wounded Gene passes out and collapses into Jim's arms. He pulls his hand away, sees the blood, and yells "What the hell is this?" In the edited version, they painted out the blood, so Jim pulls his hand away, looks at his clean hand, and yells "What is this?" It looks like Jim's acid just kicked in, and he's staring in amazement at his fingers.

The other big TV edit that I did understand and agree with was that they cut out the Hot Springs episode. Plot wise, it means that Gene found the ultra-rare caster shells off screen so it wasn't much of a loss. And considering that it had the cast in skimpy bathing suits, nudity, and a booby-trapped strip tease video, there was no way that episode was going to air without hacking it to pieces.

XD I didn't notice this comment and said something like it just now.

Anyways I did actually get confused about where he got the shells from so when I saw the episode finally I was like " o_O Oh that explains a lot"

Also remember how the cut out most of Gene's "One night Stand from the first episode? They left a part of it in for some reason, so I knew what he had done with her, so it seemed kind of funny at the time that they just didn't cute the whole scene.

Plenty of Shonen Jump manga has been toned down to air on tv in Japan. Toei themselves knew better than to show Luffy scarring himself or Yugi's little money knife game, even if a portion of the audience had read those scenes. It comes down to sensibility. An anime adaptation of a popular manga, especially a long-running one, can probably get away with more as part of its brand but I think the main thing is that you can have a kiddie show like Pokemon or Gash/Zatch Bell in Japan and get away with breast jokes. It's a different culture. I'm sure US cartoons dubbed into Japanese have things cut out or rewritten too.

[quote=SpecterM91]...Have you ever actually seen Batman: The Animated Series, by some chance? I mean, it's not Dark Knight Returns, but it's awfully dark. Hell, The Brave and the Bold is dark. Go watch Chill of the Night. Feels like a lost TAS episode. I don't think there's been a purely light hearted Batman cartoon since TAS popped up.[/quote]

I want to say that's a stupid question to ask since before I was an anime nut, I watched American cartoons. I was a huge fan of Batman TAS, and am aware of its dark tone, but it's still child friendly.

[quote=Beta Link]Heh, I remember watching that episode of Pokémon when I was a kid (knowing close to nothing about Japanese food or culture), thinking "What? How is that a doughnut? It looks nothing like one."[/quote]

Thank you of show casing the intelligence of Pok'e-mon's demographic... Heck I recall them being referred to as "rice balls" after Tokapee was born.

these are the way that 4Kids butchers anime

http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=QiqJLxIk2gk

http://www.youtube.com/ watch#! v=PFaT3TuiyGQ&feature=rel ated

0:42- Great for you, MarzGurl. Thanks for giving 4Kids the beating it diserves.

7:05- That reminds me of the 20th anniversary version of "E.T." The police officers with the riffles before the bikes start to fly in the end. Steven Spielburg replaced the riffles with walkie talkies on the computer, which makes sence; pulling guns on children = bad move, officers.

7:27- That hammer looks like it belongs in a Looney Tunes cartoon.

10:07- EPIC ANIMATED FAIL!!!
- Violet, you're turning violet, Violet!

The main problem with Blue Mr. Popo is that it's a bluescreen shade. It speaks of poor or rushed composite work.