Anime News Editorial - Neon Alley Network

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  • vamast  - dubs
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    no, why cant they show subs and dubs, it gives more choice
  • EpicFish
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    Sounds interesting! Hopefully it will garner enough attention and become available for the Xbox Live Marketplace (or Wii Network)!
  • Mizu Takishima
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    If only I owned a PS3 ; n ;

    Or any current-generation consoles for that matter...

    sigh.
  • megasinfinity
    its just like G4 ... but not in the slightest.
  • alex251960
    If making it PS3-exclusive is some cheap attempt to making me buy a PS3 then...it's not failing.
  • FunkyM
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    Sounds cool.

    Two things though (All together now!)

    1) When's it coming to the UK, and
    2) Are there any Giant Robots? (and can Tiger & Bunny be counted as "Giant Robot"?)
  • Undertaker91
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    they probably do have Giant Robot anime (Big O comes to mind) but Tiger and Bunny is more superhero than giant robot
  • GEL
    On one hand I guess it's a nice alternative to the All Subs network that is Crunchy Roll, but on the other hand this is the LAST thing the anime industry needs.

    See, Neon Alley comes from VIZ, a company that I admit does some of the best dubs in the industry...and some of the most BS business.

    If you tried to follow Ranma 1/2 on VHS, you know EXACTLY what I mean: 2 or 3 episodes (of a HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF EPISODES long series) per VHS, dubbed at a higher than average price. You want it subbed? Not only are the "SPECIAL SUBTITLED EDITION"s insanely hard to find, but they charged $40 for them! $40 for 2 or 3 episodes of RANMA! Most of their other stuff it was LITTERALLY impossible to find subbed.

    The worst thing was that stores would generally ONLY carry dubs back then. It was a nightmare, especially with ADV releasing most of the anime back then. They couldn't dub their way out of a paper bag! I'VE SEEN THEM TRY.

    When DVDs hit, it finally ended the tyranny of dubs as now both dubs AND subs could be included on the same disc. Happy days were here at last!

    But for SOME reason, now that we're moving towards digital streaming, we're losing that choice. Manga Entertainment released their own laughable dub only channel on XBox 360 a while back, most anime on Netflix is inexplicably dubbed only (even though they added in a language change option recently, I've barely seen any anime use it), and now THIS.

    This is especially problematic because while dubs are improving, they're also starting to make an odd split from the subbed version. When dealing with a comedy series with a lot of Japanese cultural references, the dub often "localizes" while the subs stay true to the original. This is cool, it gives us a choice. Many people that would prefer a dub would prefer a more localized script. However when you take away that choice things become once again problematic.

    The LAST thing we need is to once again split the fandom and industry between dubs and subs. But if we're going down THAT path again, I'm siding with subs because an actually GOOD dub is rare. Personally, I refuse to bother with Neon Alley until they give me a subs option.

    Heck, I PROMISE that if they add in a subtitle option I will sign up for them immidiately to show my support.
  • leviadragon99
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    And if you hve a PS3... which I don't. :(
  • Hapsetshut
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    I like dubs tooo ^0^
  • ParaChomp
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    You're not alone, MarzGurl. Hell, I even like Sgt. Frog's dub (which has such unfitting dialogue). Speaking of which, I've been looking for a stream of Tiger and Bunny for ages (stupid Viz blocking out the stream to Canada). Anyways, plan to get a PS3 for Christmas so I'll check out the free trail when I have the change.
  • ParaChomp
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    You're not alone, MarzGurl. Speaking of which, I've been looking for a stream of Tiger and Bunny for ages (stupid Viz blocking out the stream to Canada). Anyways, plan to get a PS3 for Christmas so I'll check out the free trail when I have the change.
  • pkingdom
    I never understood the whole dubs-subs conflict. If you want your show to be experienced by people outside of Japan, why not dub it? Far more people are willing to watch a show where they can understand everyone then have to read everything that is going on.
  • piccolo334
    Funimation has had a 24-hour anime channel for awhile now, and I wouldn't say it is all that successful. Most anime fans probably don't like the fact that it has to be cropped for time and non-anime fans would have a hard time jumping into something without knowning what happened before in the series. Add in the sad fact that most American audiences hate to watch anything that requires remembering previous episodes and the high probability of the episodes being broadcasted out of order, cable just doesn't work for anime.

    What they need to do, is all the anime publishers need to come together under 1 broadcasting banner, partner up with something like Adult Swim and only show the first few episodes of a series while pointing to an online streaming service and/or a BD/DVD advertisment. Probably the biggest thing we lack is a legal way to try out a series. Perhaps do something similar as subs for series to determine if they would be popular enough to be picked up by Viz or Funimation.
  • wardentux
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    Hmm. The video list on the side currently has you named as NarzGurl. At first I was expecting some sort of alternate dimension Marzgurl.
  • Undertaker91
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    Sorry, im not signing up for this, for the simple reason that i dont like most dubs. good dubs are few and far between (Fullmetal Alchemist and FMA Brotherhood come to mind). it takes a lot to impress me with a dub, especially if ive seen that anime subbed. while i cant think of any dubs i despise, there are certainly ones i shake my head at. the worst dub i know of is One Piece for all the stupid editing. its not meant to be a kids show, its for teens and up. Naruto is ok but again, subbed is so much better. So for this reason, i wont buy this app. even if they add subbed, i have a website where i can watch that for free
  • moongorgeous
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    I have a hard time believing you haven't been paid by Viz themselves to plug this thing. Cause Neon Ally its a total waste of time for anyone who isn't an extreme CASUAL anime fan.

    Firstly because 95% of everything being shown on this thing are old series that everyone has already seen through another medium. (Most on Cartoon Network) And basically ALL of it is shounen anime! (Aside from Berserk and Vampire Knight) What the hell! Talk about lack of variety... so unless you're a middle school teenaged boy, most of these shows won't be your thing. They definitely aren't mine. They really dropped the ball on having something to really hook people in on.

    The only thing worth paying to watch is the Berserk movie; but I've already seen it, so I'd rather give my money to buying the BD at this point.

    And to go back to what I said earlier, these are all OLD shows! The only thing that aired recently in Japan is Lagrange and ZETMAN and both of those series.... not so good. Tiger and Bunny only less new than those two.

    The main problem with these anime only "TV stations" is the lack of library of titles... we've already had the Funimation Channel which only shows Funi licenses and has limited availability-- I suppose Viz is slightly nicer as it is owned by Shogakukan and Shueisha and they seem to be showing some Aniplex USA titles (Blue Exorcist) but I think that is only because the own the manga.

    If they aired the Please Save My Earth OVAs with a new dub, I'd give them money.
  • tomrule123
    Yes, I'm one of those people that would listen to both the english dub and its original language. Though it all depends on how good the dub is (example: Neon Genesis Evangelion original show and the earlier films' dubs (before the Rebuild films from Funi) are TERRIBLE. I hate them. Have to watch them in Japanese. For the Rebuild films, the dub has been improved, and I could handle both.) Yet... I'm also a person that needs both in one, so that I have an option for myself and an option for my friends that don't follow subs often.

    Now with Netflix, there's actually a lot more of a variety in Anime... along with many other non-anime content. I mean sure it doesn't have shows that aren't in Neon Valley, but there's no schedule to worry about, you just see whenever you want, however you want. It's a form of convenience.

    Though, I don't know about this whole Neon Alley thing. (visits site) I do have to say that it does have at least some good content (and exclusives aren't that bad), but it still is limited compared to what I've seen in other streaming providers. (It's mainly VIZ Media content, so it seems like it's mainly VIZ's control) Who knows: maybe it'll be the next big thing for Anime. (but honestly, 7 dollars for scheduled limited anime compared to 8 dollars for Unlimited commercial-free content in your free time? ... Think.)

    But the answer is still clear: DVD/BLU-RAY IS THE ONLY BEST THING FOR ANIME TO BE. Dual languages and some extras in one package. For Anime only, iTunes sucks, Amazon Instand vids suck, Netflix sucks... in fact, streaming for anime sucks. Seriously, why can't they provide dual audio for all distributions? I don't care if it's licensing issues! You've done this for DVD, so why not for the rest?! (jeez, you think DVD technology would be carried over to downloadble/streaming vids...)
  • Rider Dragon
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    Because subbed titles are already available on multiple websites
  • Shadow125
    Sadly dubed only means i could only stand HALF of the shows statistically. Usually about half the anime i watch i cant stand the us voice actors and as such won't watch it (gurren laggan being prime example, sorry JO your dead wrong that voice cast sucked hard). To be fair there are the polar opposite times where i can't stand the sub and need the dub like Ghost in the Shell SAC.
  • Rue_Ryuzaki2
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    Well its nice to see someone is trying to get anime out there but I think it would benefit more to have like a dedicated network channel or station to present it. I mean like for example time warner's cutting edge in demand helps but it would be better if there was like a anime on demand channel thats has for ex. anime network, funimation, Viz etc on it to give viewers different choices. but we'll see.
    Also Thanks Marzgurl for beinging the Berserk movie to my attention. It shall be watch or this otaku has breathed his last no way thats getting pasted me.
  • TheCrazyLoon
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    I like Dubs and Subs. I would watch the anime in sub most of the time first so that I know what they say in that version plus I want to learn Japanese. But I enjoy dub much more cause its in my native tongue. Makes me wish I was able to get a ps3 or a job.
  • Astrotrain
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    I don't like dubs
  • tomrule123  - @Astrotrain
    What?! No love for Cowboy Bebop Dub?!
    Seriously, that dub is a lot better than the original language (one of the very few shows that has the dub superior!). Steve Blum. Along with many talented performers. Very accurate translations. That is all.
  • keniakittykat
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    The trigun dub was also pretty satisfying. =D
  • Lotus Prince
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    Oh god, the Berserk movie. It's so glorious.
  • phoenixwizard
    Sounds nice. Although I'd like to wait for them to get more shows. It looks like Naruto and One Peice are the flagship shows, and I'm personally not a big enough fan. It has Death Note too, but I have the DVD of those.

    Thanks for telling us about this though, but I'd rather wait it out a bit to see what it has to offer.
    (is this available in Canada? Unlike Hulu?)
  • Karutomaru
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    Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I'd love to see where this goes..... I already use Toonzaki, but this seems to offer a lot more than they do.
  • tecpaocelotl
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    Neon Alley looks like it took your job.
  • Snugens
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    There is one catch to Neon Alley: its owned by VIZ. It will only show anime licensed by VIZ Entertainment. This means LOTS of Naruto, LOTS of Bleach, LOTS of One Peice, and LOTS of Inuyasha. There are other shows of course and they do get to air during the afternoon/early evening, but don't expect a super wide variety. Personally, I want them to air Monster all the way through since it is easily one of the most unappreciated/overlooked anime of all time. But if you are a fan of the big 3, you will jizz all over this.
  • Rider Dragon
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    You realize that it's not limited to just Viz tiles. One Piece is not theirs, it's funimation, Blue Exorcist is Aniplex US. Viz themselves have said they're working with other studios.
  • Ben_from_G-town
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    That sounds really cool, Marz. Thanks for the info because honestly I didn't know all that about Neon Alley.

    The only problem is not all of us have a PS3, let alone the seven bucks a month for the service. Times are tough in this recession, in case you haven't noticed. I've had to cut back on everything I can.

    And I'm surprised you didn't talk about Inuyasha: The Final Act. We all thought for sure it would be on Adult Swim/Toonami, since that is where the original show aired. It's been quite controversial, this whole decision to air it on Neon Alley. Like you said, it's not a real TV channel. Many people aren't going to get to see it.
  • fanime1
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    Aw, I don't have a PS3, but I should probably get since I pre-ordered Brave BluRay, DVD, and Ultraviolet combo and I don't even have a BluRay player (I only did it for the free lithographs). Still, the price is great, and OMG INUYASHA! I was waiting for freaking ever for the Final Act dub to come out. I'm sorry but I literally fell in love with InuYasha's English voice so much I can't stand to watch the original. InuYash was my first anime crush, so my feelings for him are pretty strong. I'm kinda sad it's not going to be on Adult Swim, though, because I won't be able to afford a PS3 for awhile, so I'm going to have to buy the DVDs just to see it. And I like waiting for the next episode for an anime. I get a thrill from it. So I prefer to watch anime on TV than on DVD or online.
  • jutuomin  - A question..
    I don't have PS3 so perhaps it is not that crusial information, but I am highly interested (especially as it might be something I might pass on to the Anime association that I'm a member of.
    I have not heard a single thing about Neon Alley Network so is this an international network or for a certain location only (it might also be, because I don't have PS3 so I don' follow that stuff that much).
    For info: I live in Finland (in Europe).
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