DCnU: Week 4
Written by Last Angry Geek Tuesday, 04 October 2011 19:40
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10.04.2011 - 20:45 | David2
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10.04.2011 - 21:10 | Jackass Mask
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10.05.2011 - 00:06 | BooRat
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FINALLY! Teen Titans! I just read the issue on the weekend! Found the mystery woman too:D
While I'm glad they have Bart being stupid again, the issue overall was rather bland. Also, even if the cop choked Cassie, isn't hitting him in the back of the head so hard that he starts to bleed on the card? The rest of the issue is "blah" and stupid even, but I'm going to stick with it.
In VooDoo the female empowerment has gone too far. I;m all for it, but comic book writers take it too far a lot of the time. Makes me want to see them get beat up and then saved by men sometimes. Loved how they had fanservice but gave GOOD reason for it.
If DC wanted a new universe for new readers, why not copy Marvel in a better way and make their own "Ultimate Universe?"
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10.04.2011 - 21:28 | rowdycmoore
Now that this series is done (I jumped in midway), I feel I can give my own opinion about the relaunch:
I do feel like comic universes as vast as DC/Marvel unfortunately do need to be rebooted every so often. I think the biggest issue for potential readers today isn't having to deal with the mounds of continuity, since trade collections and internet research are available, but the aging factor of characters - or lack thereof - is the problem. Character development and evolvement is good, but but it's hard to grasp that a Batman/Superman around today was fighting foes in the Silver Age. Comics that don't lean on years of past continuity, like the Archie line, don't have to worry about this. But with series that rely on story arcs, you're eventually forced to do one of two things: Eventually ignore events of the distant past, eliminating the chance for development, or reboot it to say these events did actually happen more recent.
That having been said, it's not easy to do. I'm not sure if five years is enough time to claim everything happened that's still in continuity. Still, I also wish DC the best.
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10.04.2011 - 21:31 | Raiden
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10.04.2011 - 21:50 | TheBrigeedaRocks
As much as I do like that Kid Flash's costume looks like a hodge-podge of stuff he found in his closet as well as a cameo by Static, I'm going to have to call bullshit on Cassie being a car thief. Or any kind of thief.
I feel like this whole reboot isn't just trying to aim for the 20+ male readers who -as you've stated- are already there, but that DC is actively trying to alienate their own loyal readers at the same time. It's one thing to want new readers, naturally, but sacrificing everything your fanbase loved about the characters just to attract the new guys?
I'm sure you've read that article about the mom asking her 7 year old how she felt about the new Starfire, and I'm sure you've also heard the backlash about how she should have realized the book had a Teen rating on it. For someone who has a favorite character, they're probably not going to notice the book even has a rating on it if it means getting to see them in action! It seems like DC is forgetting that people of ALL ages read their books...not just the demographic they're going for.
As for the mysterious hooded lady? Something tells me she'll somehow be the figurehead in the next big DC event where it turns out LOLJK OLD UNIVERSE IS BACK REBOOT WAS A JOKE GOTCHA SUCKERS. It'll just be a matter of whether it was intentional all along or if it'll be how DC avoids all the backlash the reboot has created.
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10.04.2011 - 21:55 | ZoltonMy favorites were Wonder Woman, Action Comics, All-Star Western (Jonah Hex, but the movie was such a bomb that they had to rename the series) and... wait for it... wait... AQUAMAN. Seriously, it was a terrific set-up issue and had a sense of humor about it being Aquaman.
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10.04.2011 - 22:23 | kwclass09Ok what is the number of the secrete organizations this time around? I think this is the 5th one I've heard about.
The one thing that disappointed me most about the titans relaunch is that Raven and Beast Boy were not in it. I honestly stated reading the Titans because of them. I hope they do show up sooner then later, and that they don't change them for the characters we saw in the last titans series.
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10.04.2011 - 22:24 | Jai137I agree. It's focus on people already reading comic books was counter-productive to encouraging new readers. If there were comics for the female or kid demographic, it would've been better.
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10.04.2011 - 22:27 | AriaElDid he just complain about too much female empowerment in a title that features its female stripping most of the time? Weak. I would think after the porn Starfire and Catwoman sex time and what he said about Powergirl, he embrace this aspect in an overall cheesecakey narrative.
Sry, but its not like Batwoman, the Birds of Prey or Wonder Woman getting all "holier than thou" on the men, its a book about a stripper in a strip club and some typical female responses to guys oogling them like meat. Also, the one fight scene in the comic book. The male 'lead' was just canon fodder so who cares if he is likeable and, again, he's a dude in a strip club. I'd say its balancing out the female objectifaction.
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10.04.2011 - 22:57 | LikaLaruku
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10.04.2011 - 23:32 | SSH
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10.05.2011 - 00:25 | BooRat
I'm glad to finnally see a review where some one either already knew bout or at leasted looked up VooDoo before reviewing the new comic! I haven't read the new comic yet but I'm not sure if I'd like it as I liked her old role from WildC.A.T.s beter! Now if they done basically what they did with her from WildC.A.T.s #1 but without the WildC.A.T.s team being invalved! Like we start out she's a stripper and she knows she has some gift like power like her psychic ablity and one night at her work(being a stripper) she's attacked by an alien that wants to kill her and that's when she figues out she's not human or a full blood human!
The Teen Titans comci doesn't look that great to me, but that's mostly becaus eI just can't turn off my knolege of the old team and line ups!
I do think the cloaked woman is connected to an event that DC hs set up incase this reboot doesn't work out so they have an already inplace reset back to the old canon. You know what I mean!?
Of corse they've made a lot of money off this! It's a bunch of new #1s and nobody has learn their lessen from the 90s! Hell I bet a bunch of poor smoes bought doubles or triples thinking these things will be worth a ton in like 10-20 years! I say give it like 3-4 months and the amount of these comcis sold will drop by more than 60%! And DC will be in the hole again because they'll still be doing double printing and be stuck with a bunch of unsealible comics!
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10.05.2011 - 00:16 | Sewblon
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10.05.2011 - 03:00 | Supermutant2099
I didn't get Voodoo but wasn't really interesting the digging the grave of what was left of Wildstorm universe.
Teen Titans oh there was so many problems with this book. Cassie's appearance is even the worst of the problem. Oh yeah the whole attitude she now has. Ugh. Hey look at all the characters that should be in this book instead we token gay guy and token girls. Superboy. UGH! Whole nowhere thing is just dumb. Don't get me started with possibily the red head being a certain Wildstorm character that now seems to be a villain. Another giant strike against the DCNU.
By the way it is not Wally. Unless they changed there mind every interview I have read sadly have said it is Bart.
The whole success is based on hype but really will these new #1s fizzle out like most? Will new readers actually stick around and not be fooled by stuff like Morrison idiot Superman? We will wait and see.
Personally as I hate the reboot I hope in the end it backfires in a long run. Just to teach dc a lesson.
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10.05.2011 - 04:25 | Shinigami
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10.05.2011 - 05:41 | SolidGoldCEO
Glad you said about DC steering all its new titles towards adult comic readers. You would think the whole point of Teen Titans would be to give younger readers something a bit more relatable. When I first started reading my Dads older comics DC was the company that put out the big colourful adventures but nowadays it seems writers just wan't to do serious stories about serious people.
One of my favourite comics was Giffen and Dematies's JLI due to it being funny a bit goofy. but of course that got retconned into an evil Max Lord trying to discredit the League and shooting Blue Beetle (Ted Kord) in the head.
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It's become increasingly clear to me this was never about New readers this was about how badly dc had fucked up there universe. They knew another limited crisis wouldn't work again. As such they just took a ongoing story with the potential to reboot the universe and turned it into a way to wipe the slate mostly clean.
The phantom lady in every comic I think is a way to finish the job or bring back parts of the old universe that worked.
I know it's better to take dc at there word, But the comics I've read so far just don't scream “were going for new readers”, but instead It screams to me “were trying to fix our mess”.
As we see in many of the comics *brarra STARFIRE brarra deathstroke brarra* This doesn't work if the same people with the same problems are doing the same work.
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10.05.2011 - 06:40 | charlMy favourite DCnU release was without a doubt Stormwatch. You should check it out.
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10.05.2011 - 07:22 | jdreyfuss
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10.05.2011 - 07:22 | FunkyM
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10.05.2011 - 07:49 | vamast
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10.05.2011 - 13:24 | KurolegacyThat'd feel a bit anticlimactic if that turned out to be true.
I get the feeling that she's some kind of being who either wasn't affected by the Flashpoint's changes to the DC universe or a being who's monitoring the events that have gone on in the DCnU all leading up to the next big event when her purpose will be revealed. At very least, no one else seems to notice her presence and then she vanishes as though she was never there.
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10.05.2011 - 08:22 | Cferra
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10.05.2011 - 10:03 | Threeshades
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10.05.2011 - 11:35 | The_Awesometeer
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Is as permanent as the age of apocaylpse and House of M.
Biggest change is making Superman a quasi socialist, which is what he started out as anyway.
And we got a Red Lanterns book no one wanted.
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10.05.2011 - 13:04 | Random_Ninja_5I was never that enthused about the relaunch and as of yet haven't picked up any of the comics. The only ones I might are the Batman ones, but that's just because I'm a fan of the bat. As for these videos, I love LAG's reactions to the hooded figure. Is it the same person each time. Sometimes it's clearly a woman, but other times I can't tell.
Many people have been speculating that she's somehow an out for DC if certain things don't work out for this relaunch, and I may have to agree. But I like that (so far) she's mysterious and her purpose is unknown. As for my own thoughts about her... She could be someone who has taken control of the DCU and changed things. She's there to watch how the changes affect the people. Is she invisible to the heroes, because sometimes she's in plain sight of them and they don't notice her. Not having read anything, she kind of seems like the 'turn right' lady from Doctor Who. She has the power to make subtle changes in certain moments of their lives which ultimately has a larger effect on the world around them.
..Or the DCnU is the Matrix and is totally fabricated. All of the heroes and/or villains are in tanks being monitored by this mysterious woman, but the fabrication has flaws which is why we can see her.
The whole reboot seems to have both hit it's mark and misfired at the same time. Personally, I would have liked it to have rebooted to before Final Crisis and Countdown instead of skipping the much better Infinite Crisis; or better yet be an honest reboot and start from the beginning. Why make books not hinged with continuity if you're going to keep the majority of the continuity? I realize that the latter is impossible, but they should have thought about it more before acting.
Great videos, LAG, and have fun with Arkham City.
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10.05.2011 - 13:19 | Sir_D
Voodoo 1 looks really good. I'm leaning towards villain or troubled hero. What, she did just kill an agent rather than incapacitate him in someway.
Red Robin... Yumm, lol. Sorry, ,my wife and kids have hammered that jingle into my brain. I know, low hanging fruit. But, I do have to ask when did Robin get a Silver Hawk's suit? It is a bit distracting; but, I guess someone thought it was a good evolution of the character.
How do you spot all of those mysterious woman sightings, lol, LAG? Your reaction: one of the main reasons I watch this series. Great review, LAG.
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I've flicked through a few comics and watched the reviews and this relaunch just appears to be DC's attempt at an Ultimates Universe but focusing on what went wrong, not went right.
The universe has taken on a darker, more modern look, the Teen Titans are more like the X-Men than their actual roots, Blue Beetle feels more like Spiderman and all these heroes from various secret organisations reek of S.H.I.E.L.D. Even Superman seems to have more in common with Ultimates Thor than pre-reboot Superman. They've even setup an event by including a mysterious person appearing in all issues the same way Marvel Ultimates used the monoliths in preperation for Ultimatum.
The thing that Marvel got right and DC seem to be ignoring is scale, The Ultimate Universe originaly started with three continuous stories (Spiderman, X-Men and Fantastic Four) and a continuous mini-event/blockbuster title (The Ultimates). Marvel then added the cross-overs and smaller one-off story arcs like Ultimate Daredevil to introduce other characters. DC have released 52 comics which is too many as it lacks cohesion to the universe and makes it harder for new readers to get involved, we now have to adjust to 50 different story arcs that entertwine with each other, and each arc having its own secret organisations to keep track off.
The DC Universe reboot also brings up a completely unansewarble question, why now? At least with the Ultimate Universe it explained (one of the only decent parts of Ultimatum and its build up) why all these mutants and superpowers were appearing almost instantaneously, apart from a few aliens they all stemmed from an American and a Canadian project decades ago. With the DC reboot isn't it a bit of a coincidence that Superman, the Teen Titans, Red Hood, Voodoo, Wonder Woman and all these other super powered beings and aliens show up on Earth within a very short period of time?Isn't it a bit weird that Superman, Supergirl and Blue Beetle all crash on the same planet?
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10.05.2011 - 17:22 | ziggy78eogWith this new secret organization, N.O.W.H.E.R.E., I was half expecting "Courage the Cowardly Dog" and/or Beatles references. Or maybe some Won Bin references. For shame Last Angry Geek, for shame.
Oh, and I half-expected you to insert the Red Robin commercial jingle somewhere in the review in the same way Bison's "OF COURSE" shows up when the subject turns to world domination.
All-in-all, great job with these reviews.