DVD-R Hell - Deception of a Generation, Part 2

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  • Lucern7
    Oh hey a sequel to one of my favorite videos of yours, this is just so bizarre to me, maybe it's because I didn't experience the 80s but even by what I know of those standards then these guys are ...buttmunches?
  • Super Driver
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    I once heard that Phil said that all adults are warm and friendly - take from that what you will.
  • Chicken Parma
    Yeah, I've heard Adam Lanza was warm and friendly. Same goes for Josef Fritzl.
  • Torugu
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    ET promotes homosexuality? Where did those knuckleheads get to that conclusion? Is it because ET crossdressed so that makes him gay? A harsh generalization if you ask me!
  • Kooshmeister
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    Well, he does spend the entire movie hanging out with a preteen boy. But he can't be gay! In the novelization by William Kotzwinkle, E.T. develops a sort of weird interspecies crush on Elliott's mother, who he calls "Willow Creature," due to her apparent resemblance (to him) to a willow tree. And no, I'm not kidding. E.T. likes MILFs.

    Okay, I realize the book's events likely aren't canon to the film, but still, the novelization and its sequel are/were official movie merchandise, and E.T. developing a crush on a human female is a pretty big argument against him being gay. Unless Gary and Phil wanna make the argument E.T. is bi.

    But anyway, you'd think Gary and Phil's reason for disliking E.T. is because he rises from the dead and can heal the hurt and sick by what appears to be basically indistinguishable from magic, like an alien Jesus - although I realize the true Alien Jesus is actually Klaatu from The Day the Earth Stood Still, but the blatantly Christlike portrayal of that film's hero is likely either lost on these two morons, or "excused" because the film comes from the 50's i.e. the era all fundie idiots like Gary and Phil wish the world could return to.
  • ecyor0
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    And the really ironic thing? They would probably have defended the depictions of violence in the bible by saying that it wasn't condoning the violence, and was representing them as evil things, not good things ...which would utterly destroy the last tiny specks of integrity their argument was clinging to.

    As a Christian, these programs get very depressing to watch; I just keep reminding myself that this isn't representative of the religion as a whole, it's only representative of the specific brand of Christianity that found its way over to the US.

    Fare thee well, Phil and... guy that I've already forgotten the name of. I'd say "may you fade into obscurity and never have any significant influence on anyone ever again" but I'd probably end up becoming an anecdote on your next special on sending curses over the internet.
  • iDEMANDWeekendAtBernies3
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    Every "brand" of Christian has something bad to say about other "brands" they disagree with. I say just hang up the fairy tales altogether.
  • IMLRG  - I Don't Follow....
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    Interesting Point.... This logic you're using here actually insinuates several things. The big thing that it insinuates, however, is that if the Blunder Twins here have a perspective on Christianity, no matter how.... "Unique" that view is, all Christians must immediately accept this logic without stopping to seriously consider if it reflects our beliefs accurately. If we don't, then Christianity loses all of it's credibility and should be dismissed as a fairy tale. If we applied that same logic to any other organization (Government, Business, or even Science,) that organization could never exist.

    Did I get this part of your argument right, or am I reading into things that aren't there? I am genuinely interested in your opinion, by the way: if you don't want to clutter up the comments with this discussion, feel free to post a rebuttal here and shoot me a couple of messages.
  • TheTundraTerror  - No True Scotsman
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    That's what it boils down to. As best put:

    Imagine Hamish McDonald, a Scotsman, sitting down with his Glasgow Morning Herald and seeing an article about how the "Brighton Sex Maniac Strikes Again". Hamish is shocked and declares that "No Scotsman would do such a thing". The next day he sits down to read his Glasgow Morning Herald again; and, this time, finds an article about an Aberdeen man whose brutal actions make the Brighton sex maniac seem almost gentlemanly. This fact shows that Hamish was wrong in his opinion but is he going to admit this? Not likely. This time he says, "No true Scotsman would do such a thing".

    Replace Scotsman with Christian and you have the same deal.
  • ecyor0
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    Y'know, this is an argument that has always irked me. I mean, it's a real logic fallacy that happens, but if membership of a group is dependent on acting a certain way, I don't see how this applies.

    Whenever someone says "these Christians aren't acting like Christians" someone ALWAYS pulls out the No True Scotsman fallacy. So... what? I'm supposed to just say "yep, they're acting like Christians" no matter how off the wall they are?
  • Kooshmeister
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    They are acting like Christians. Just a very specific type - fundamentalist ones. And fundamentalists of any sort tend to be very closeminded and ignorant because their fundamentalism teaches them to be wary of "corrupting" outside influences. Hence Gary and Phil's staggering ignorance of pop culture and being even more out of touch with the 1980's kids' generation than most other adults.
  • MobileSuitSonic
    Stow the jingoism and do some research: six ecclesiastical blocs that only differ on minor issues.
  • grey_wolverine
    To be fair, in D&D, yes, there are DMs who try to kill players intentionally, but they are dicks. And yes, some people get way way into D&D, just like anything, Magic the Gathering, World of Warcraft, My Little Pony, and a thousand other things. I love stupid people, they make me laugh a lot.
  • Amesang
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    Dungeons & Dragons is a far out game…
  • ultronquake  - shocking
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    i'm suprised, i thought it could'nt get worse than the first part, but boy was i wrong. of course now that i watched this i wonder how they would react to homoti. thanks again brad you made this pretty awsome with your riffs.
  • nerdyguy
    I think the homosexual reference he was talking about in ET was when that kid called that other kid penis-breath. That's the only thing I can think of that he might be talking about.
  • grey_wolverine
    Maybe the finger touching scene?
  • Karutomaru
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    That's what I thought.
  • Axel Osbourne
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    Oh God, the memories! True story: there was a movement back in my old home town that wanted to get Charlotte's Web (CHARLOTTE'S FUCKING WEB!) banned from public school libraries, because it was (supposedly) promoting witchcraft, because it had talking animals (yes, you read that correctly) And sadly, they almost got it done!
  • iDEMANDWeekendAtBernies3
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    This was really funny Brad, I really appreciate you tackling this subject matter.
  • Emilie Bennett
    Oh no, Gary and Phil are bashing Star Wars, E.T., Transformers, and Voltron! And really, Care Bears? That's harsh, as they are nowhere near offensive. And once they got to My Little Pony, I bet the Bronies were throthing with rage at that point.
  • Voltra-The-Lively
    Bronies are G4, so that's doubtful. Tend to be pretty meh on the older generations.
  • Tenco1
    When in the hell that's I'm apparently going to did they talk about My Little Pony, I only heard them discuss the ethics of the far superior franchise, My Pony.
  • keniakittykat
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    So they bring up my little pony, but don't talk about Tirek, the evil goat?

    That and holy crap, It's a brand new Windy! That's a pretty rare one...
  • Kooshmeister
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    Tirek was a goat? I thought of him as being more of a centaur type thing. His horns aren't even remotely goatlike. Anyway, Grogar would be a more apt comparison since he's an evil g--er, okay, well, an evil ram, but whatever.
  • keniakittykat
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    Yeah, I meant Grogar, sorry.
  • TheDogSannin
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    Tirek was a bull-horned centaur. Basically, he looks like Satan, and travels in a dragon-powered chariot to capture ponies, which he will enslave and torture until they transform into dragons.


    Also, there's a type magic from the Igbo people of West Africa that's called Obeah (sometimes spelled Obi, Obea, and Obia) in the West Indies. However, it doesn't involve chanting Obi repeatedly like they claim.

    Because they're stupid.
  • Voltra-The-Lively
    Apparently My Average Sized Pony was too long to sell.

    Wait, they didn't bring up the lesbian paradise theory? They aren't paranoid enough.

    Never mind, let's not tempt them.
  • Kooshmeister
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    They know so little about the shows and toys they're condemning that it's doubtful they even realize nearly all (if not ALL) the ponies in the original MLP were girls.
  • Guild Navigator
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    Jesus,this guy owned the whole goddamn toy store. And which toys are those The Undestructables? Im pretty sure I neve saw those... Apparently these guys -let's call them Dirk Diggler Sr and Ken Doll Hair- were under the impression that the offices of the marketing department every single toy maker in the US had a big pentagram on the floor were black robed figures plotted the destruction of America's innocence from 9 to 5.

    What is sad thing is that you know that there are people out there who were never allowed to enjoy their childhoods because their parents listened to these inbred fuckers. Chances are you've met one of those poor saps who never enjoyed anything growing up. The other day I was at a friends birthday party and we all started to talk about the 80s and 90s memories and this guy with the stare of a dead mackerel started to interrupt every time we brought up a particular subject: "Oh,my mother never allowed me to have G.I Joes" "I could never listen to that Bon Jovi devil-music when I was a kid" "Pre-washed jeans? What is that?" Needless to say,he wasn't very popular...

    My question to this fundamentalist people -because they're way more numerous now than when this video was made- is: what do you really want? You want children to praise on their knees the glory of that white Moloch you call Jesus 24/7? Because I'm willing to bet that's not what Jesus -or any other prophet- would've wanted for the youth of their followers. A-fucking-men.

    Anyway,awesome job Brad. Keep 'em coming.
  • Timekeeper
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    Because of personalities like these two idiots, some people think that Christianity is a bad thing... despite the fact that they have nothing to do with real Christianity and just insult Jesus by using his name for their stupid purposes. I mostly sure this Phil guy has some psychical problems.
    How can it be released on DVD?
  • ladydiskette  - re: Timekeeper
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    I agree, I have actually meet and are friends with a lot of Christians who practice good logical judgement as to what their children are exposed to and they're very kind, down-to-earth, and eager to discuss things openly and honestly.

    That is why it bothers me when the ones that make us come across as stupid, ignorant, hate-filled jerks get the most attention because they scream the loudest.

    Making it even harder for us to get our points across.
  • Extreme-Madness
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    The problem is that they and people like them see themselves as the only true Christians, and all others they deem as unworthy.
  • Minion of Yahtzee  - Uggggghh
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    It's because of assholes like this that make me think that religion is evil. If there are cock mongrels like this that make up pointless crap, ignore the more damaging passages from the book that they claim is so pure, and try to force their homophobic, racist view points through "In the name of the lord" I'm pretty sure that when these two die God will send them to hell where they will have pitch forks shoved up their asses and be corn holed in the eye sockets and nose holes by pineapple dicked demons from then till the end of time. Good work Brad.
  • BellaWinx
    Gary and Phil are back to tell us about the evil that exists in everything ever. Great.

    GI Joe/Transformers/etc.: G+P put tempered violence in the same group as graphic violence: This is wrong. "Star Wars violence" is the term that I use to describe action portrayed without the use of gore. Star Wars violence allows media, whether intended for children or not, to show conflict without offending sensibilities. This is for children not mature enough to handle gore, or adults who don't enjoy it. Conflict is necessary in stories, or they grind to a halt. SWV is not hurtful, or damaging.

    Looney Toons: This animated empire, and its billions of contemporaries and homages, make use of exaggerated violence for comedic effect. The animation lives in a world of its own where no one is really hurt, so this does not encourage laughing at, or causing, real pain.

    P+G solve their own damn problem. Teaching your children that TV is not real, that the words said and the actions done are fake, is your job, parents. It is not Hasbro's and Warner Brothers' duty to raise your kids.

    Voltron: To be fair, the black magic that conspired to give the English dub of Golion the ass-rape that it got was pretty brutal.

    Barbie: Actually, Brad, while not as looney as the other nonsense they spew, P+G's comment about Barbie and girls' body issues is dumb. Barbie as an icon has evolved over the years to reflect the times: Her image, along with the actual doll, has changed from thin to curvy and back again. Women are portrayed in a million different ways in the media: Someone, somewhere, will always be "left out". Again, a strong foundation of love and healthy self-esteem starts at home. It is up to parents to love their children, to tell them they're beautiful, and to give them the ability to wade through the influences around them to keep the good and discard the bad. I grew up with Barbie. As a kid, all I saw was a doll with which I could have fantastic adventures.

    ET/Smurfs/Care Bears/MP(Oops, I'm sorry-MLP): I can't go on, my brain just exploded.

    24:15- Gary, you are right. I will be held accountable for the influence I had on children. I will answer for the imagination and exciting thoughts that I helped bring to them. I will answer for the many lessons of love I introduced to them over the years. I will answer for helping the next generation to enjoy every last good thing my parents gave to me. Gary, I grew up in that "bondage", and it made me a smart, loving person. Thanks Mom and Dad: Here you go, Next Gen.
  • Xandermorph
    Aaah, there we go! I was wondering when they'd finally bring up D&D... hell I'm surprised it took 'em this long!
  • TheAngryAnimeAddict
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    I half wish this video was made a little later then the early 80's... They would of had a field day with the Pokemon Phenomenon
  • HanSK
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    You know what's sad?
    They were even lazy with their slander

    Even I'd do a better scare-film than this
  • ladydiskette
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    Wait, I am a writer...I have been writing stories since I was nine. I create made-up characters, direct them where to go, what to say, and the outcomes of their actions.


    So by their own logic...does that make me a god?

    o.o

    Well....I guess the correct term would be goddess I suppose....
  • CyborgPrince
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    I was wondering if things would get even stupider in this one. It's hard to say, as things were already pretty stupid in the last one. I can't remember if there were any displays of homophobia in the last one or not, but E.T.? Really? I think they were just desperately looking for something to call gay.

    Holy crap! Bringing up actual issues with Barbie and Ken?!! Abandon ship!! These guys are actually using logic!!

    That Phil guy got creepier with age, and having a site called Godloveskids? Yeah, that doesn't sound just a little sketchy, especially from a guy who used to walk into toy stores and randomly approach small children to talk to them.

    Just a suggestion for a future DVD-R Hell review, maybe do the failed series Cows, which was created by Eddie Izzard and either got cancelled after 1 episode or didn't even air and never got a video release. I mean I like Eddie, he's one of my favourite comedians. But...what was he thinking with that?
  • SpeedyEric
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    For those who still believe that The Force and midi-chlorians are the same thing, please read this,:

    http:// www.starwarsreport.com/ 2012/11/27/midi- chlorians-explained-a- fans-take-on-those- controversial- microscopic-lifeforms/
  • HanSK
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    I had this theory for years
  • ladydiskette
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    I can't believe that they tried to make us think that Darth Vader looks like Odin.


    Couldn't there be another non-christian pantheistic deity that would be a better description of Darth Vader than Odin?


    I mean, if you were to compare Darth Vader to any Pagan deity or whatever, I would think you could come up with something like....a deity of death or the underworld covered in darkness. Get it, because the name "darth" is similar to the word "death" it's not that hard to make that basis for a argument.
  • SpeedyEric  - Re: ladydiskette
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    Well said. When I first saw Darth Vader, he almost beres a resemblance to The Shredder.

    Also, Darth Vader doesn't look a thing like Anthony Hopkins.
  • gcliff
    Funny, I was watching Richard Dawkin's The God Delusion before tuning in here. Great work, Brad!
  • IMLRG
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    I cannot express the deep distaste that these guys leave in my mouth. Brad, I think you hit the nail right on the head when you accused them of using religion as a front to spread hate. I don't think I've had the displeasure of witnessing two more hate-filled individuals in quite some time.

    I'd also like to thank you for laying off of the "toy store" jokes in this installment: they were there, sure, but I felt my viewing experience was better than last time because they weren't so frequent. This left room for more riffing of their stupidity, and the pointing out of their insane "logic" they were using, which needed to be done SO badly. I'm sorry, but when someone accuses E.T. of promoting Homosexuality (What is this I don't even,) then I'm fairly certain that person is viewing E.T. from inside of their own rectal cavity.

    I almost feel like I have to apologize on behalf of these guys. Y'know, as a Christian to a largely non-Christian audience. However, I'm fairly certain that even if I were responsible for their actions (which I'm not,) and if I could change anything by apologizing on their behalf (which I can't,) then that apology would mean nothing coming from me anyway (so I won't.) What I can say is that I genuinely hope that these guys can one day wake up and see what message they're REALLY sending with their continued exploits.
  • ecyor0
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    It's interesting, I didn't notice the hate coming through that much. I mean, don't get me wrong, it was there, but the impression I got was that these two are wrapped up in their own Escher-like version of reality and when they start talking about the occult and stuff their brains are just functioning on automatic and stringing together whatever sentence they come up with next.

    I'm not familiar with the american evangelical churches, so I'm not sure how accurate this assessment is, but the impression I get is that at some point in the past, the US church splintered off, decided on its own highly focused and divergent interpretation of Christianity, and have just been perpetuating false dogma down through the generations and remaining completely insulated from the world as a whole, to the point where they genuinely think their views are completely reasonable because they've been brought up and lived in a setting which never once challenged them. I mean, take the Rapture doctrine - you know, that one where all the Christians disappear in a mass teleport, leaving the Anti-christ to rule a One Nation Earth for a few years? That concept is so completely pervasive in the US church as to be incontrovertible, and yet has no basis beyond two unrelated verses from two separate books in the New Testament.

    Sorry, I'm rambling at this point. It's just... it's such a bizarre situation, where programs like this can actually be taken to represent Christianity in any meaningful way.
  • trepiechick
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    I quickly got away from Christianity after I learned how sexist, close-minded, brainwashed, and holier-than-thou many of them are. However, the Rapture is not believed by all US Christians. Honestly, I didn't even know it existed until it blew up in the Media. Even now I don't know which denomination perpetuates it; it certainly isn't Lutherans.
  • ecyor0
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    Yeah, it's a bit nebulous... one of the evangelical ones in any case. It can be hard to pin them down, you get a lot of churches breaking off and forming their own independent clique without actually being significantly different from whatever they broke off from.

    Actually, what's the Lutheran church like, out of curiosity? It doesn't exist in New Zealand, and the sum total of my knowledge is that it's kinda-sorta Protestant and they made a rather corny stop-motion religious kid's show about a boy and his great dane back in the 80's
  • fanime1
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    Cool, I gave up Christianity for the same reason too! The way I see it, I don't need an out-dated, contradictory book telling me what to believe. I feel my heart is much more accurate in telling me what's right or wrong. Though I will say this, whether or not Jesus was really the "Son of God," he was truly ahead of his time, his messages were great, and I consider him to be a proto-feminist. So yeah, that's a small summary of my beliefs.
  • ecyor0
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    If nothing else, the fact that the story has a woman be the first person to witness and proclaim a messiah's resurrection instead of a man was highly *highly* irregular for 1st century Palestine :)
  • Warp
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    I love how always in these types of arguments like in this video, they always bring up some random example of someone whose life was allegedly destroyed by the thing they are opposing.

    Even if the case were completely genuine, that doesn't tell us anything. Basically every single activity in existence sometimes destroys someone's life from time to time. That doesn't mean it was that activity in itself that did it and is therefore evil. Some people just get obsessed, are extraordinarily unlucky, or were just psychologically unstable to begin with.

    Many people eat too much and die of related diseases, does that mean that food is evil? Some people exercise to the point that it becomes actually unhealthy, causing them chronic problems. Does that mean that exercising is evil and should be avoided? And yes, some people get so crazy with christianity that they start shooting people. Should we come to the same conclusion as these guys with their random example of D&D destroying someone's life?
  • PaladinDemo
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    They used Mazes and Monsters for that. Cause it's the only thing they got.

    Which reminds me. We got two CWoD Devils, both Faustians; how much xps do I give them?
  • Warp
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    Btw, why do they think that the ET character in the movie was male? (I think that's what they are referring to with their homosexuality thing. A male dressing as a woman. But why do they think that ET was male?)
  • BB Shockwave
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    I dunno, the books make it pretty clear he is a male. I still wish they made a movie of the second book - The GReen Planet, I loved that as a kid.
  • ecyor0
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    waitwaitwait - there was a sequel? :o
  • Kooshmeister
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    Yes, William Kotzwinkle, who wrote a novelization of the film (titled E.T. the Extraterrestrial and His Adventure on Earth), also wrote a sequel novel called E.T. and the Green Planet. And anyway, yeah, in both, E.T.'s gender is confirmed as male.
  • Pregnant Orc
    ET was male because he didn't have cute little bow on his head.
    Haven't Hanna Barbera cartoons taught you anything?
  • Mousy Voice
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    I actually am a brony, so when those guys started talking about "My Pony," I was just laughing so hard. It's too bad this special wasn't created recently, because if they were talking about "My Pony" now, then they would be calling blasphemy upon a show that promotes friendship, kindness, and tolerance.I could just imagine Phil criticizing Celestia's phallic horn.
  • NoN
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    Don't forget that the main heroine uses withcraft.
  • fanime1
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    And that, "it's turning guys gay!" I heard that a lot when the phenomenon broke out, and some close-minded people still believe that. :'(
  • Spit-fire  - -MousyVoice
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    Agreed, just goes to show how poor of a image they bring to Christians everywhere.
  • BB Shockwave
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    Whenever they said "Deutoronomy" I always heard "Dude-oo-ranomy" and I was friggin confused. :) I studied theology but never heard of that book... guess real christians unlike these two twats feel it's not too relevant these days.

    I'm suprised they did not touch upon the cutie marks on ponies as satanic markings. I am not even sure the toy they showed is a real MLP toy and not some weird kitbash... Hmm, maybe Garry is secretly a brony? :D
  • PaladinDemo
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    It is. Somebody over at Spooky Experiment found it. I believe it's called Windy from the G1 series.
  • Sir_D
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    Brad, you amazing man you, are on the verge of creating the most sadistic drinking game ever, lol. Take a shot every time one of these guys says something that can not be cited or corroborated? Liver poisoning, please, lol.
  • PaladinDemo
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    But E.T. is Jesus, Reverend Lovejoy told me.
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