Anybody get the feeling that the took the idea of Magneto hunting down ex-Nazis from the Manimal comic?
Ep 44: X-Men - First Class
Written by Dr. Gonzo Thursday, 09 June 2011 23:18
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Comments (8)
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06.10.2011 - 06:26 | jalford
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I really enjoyed your discussion and I agree with a lot of your comments, but I felt like you didn't provide enough critical analysis of the movie's flaws. It's a really fun movie with a lot of high points, but the low points are really low.
The blatant stereotyping and lack of characterization of the female characters and people of color is unbelievable. I get that it's set in the 60s where racism and sexism were rampant, but to introduce a diverse cast supposedly drawn from all over the world and the only good guys end up being the male, white Americans and Xavier, who, despite being a huge humanitarian in all previous canon, has the honor of indirectly supporting the Nazis (!!!) by saying they were just following orders at the end, was such a huge wrong turn in terms of story direction, I can't even express my outrage!
Maybe they're going to create more movies where these characters develop, but without providing some suggestion that it's going to play out that way, it just comes across like the only people who didn't want a mutant revolution and the mass genocide of most of the world's population were the representatives of male white privilege who had never experienced any discrimination in their lives.
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06.10.2011 - 12:31 | CreamroseJust wanted to pop in and say I completely agree with this point, so...*thumbs up*.
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06.11.2011 - 01:30 | minor_fifthFair points about the race issue, but:
1) I related to Mystique and felt like she was a "good guy;" we are supposed to see both sides here. The Brotherhood has good points, and Mystique got a lot of attention as a character.
2) Nazi soldiers WERE just following orders; pointing that out doesn't make Charles a bad person. Sure, some of them were Kevin Bacons, but others were just drafted in. They could choose to desert, and face possibly life-threatening consequences, but I don't know who would be that brave. Even the children in Nazi Germany could get into severe trouble for not joining the Hitler Youth. Wanting to spare the lives of the soldiers is not the same as supporting their leader's ideology.
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06.10.2011 - 09:35 | Manic_Expression
I liked First Class, but the inconsistency with the other movies really bothered me. Either make a prequel or make a reboot. It pisses me off when they try to tie something in with the others in a series but don't play by the rules set up in those other movies.
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06.10.2011 - 15:25 | DoctriniusI haven't liked an X-Men movie since the first (and even that was a long time ago, I haven't rewatched it since so it might not hold up), and I didn't even see Wolverine, but I'm still optimistic about this one. I'll be catching it next weekend, even more-so now that almost all of you recommended it whole-heartedly.
Solid episode, looking forward to the E3 talk next week.
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06.10.2011 - 21:03 | TheBlackMage
X-men First class was easily the best Marvel film. Any of you who are offended by the lack of racial diversity are missing the point entirely. The X-men have always represented the rather obvious allegory of xenophobia and racism. I don't know, I think they really gave Moira Mctaggert and Mystique very good characterizations, don't you think?
As for Emma Frost, everyone has been bitching and moaning about her performance. Frankly, I don't care because basically performances do not make or break a movie for me. I was thinking what would you act like if you could read everybody's mind in the room you're in? I'm assuming that person would get bored rather quickly, that's what I chalk January Jones performance up to. She's indifferent, she's cold, she's quiet, her performance is basically how I always pictured Emma Frost! Anything more would probably be over the top in my opinion.
As for Kevin Bacon as Sebastian Shaw, damn he was amazing! But pretty much everyone's performance was Amazing. What really makes this movie is the great and very deep story with the tie-in to real history with the Cuban Missile Crisis. Just awesome. I was emotionally drawn in, and as a result I had fun and I was massively entertained and I barely realized 2 hours and 15 minutes had passed.
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06.12.2011 - 23:18 | DTNext
Darwin is from X-Men Deadly Genesis and now X-Factor (don't think that blast killed him his power is to evolve to survive)and Angel is From the grant Morrison New X-men run...Gets me mad Banshee wasn't irish in the movie...Kevin Bacon looked really stupid in the helmet(comic Sebastion Shaw is the man so is Bacon) for the x2 beast camio i say he had an image inducer,another mess up is Moira Mctaggert was in X3 as a Scottish scientist (X3sucks by the way so does wolverine origins) great episode by the way...
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