Nier

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  • Sylveria
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    Not making any sense seems to be the pattern with stuff Square-Enix touches lately.

    Also, why are we going back to this idea of drastically changing a game for localization? They did it back in the SNES/NES days and it almost always was for the worse.
  • mexrage
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    I may give it a try, it grabbed my attention a few weeks ago. Good to know you review it before most media, because most main media grade the games by their production values.

    In response to Sylveria, the only diference between Japanese PS3 exclusive version against the other version is (that were released to both PS3 and Xbox360 on both sides) is the main character. In the Japanese PS3 version, the hero looks like your typical JRPG protagonist that want to save his sister while the other versions is a old man trying to save his daughter, my personal choice is going to the old man, it's not something you see on JRPGs too much.

    I am still waiting for a Action JRPG like the ones of the SNES era (someone resurrect Quintet to go back to the golden era of the Action JRPG)
  • Ko-tan
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    Personally I'm not a fan of of the art and graphics of the localized Nier. It just looks ugly to me. I prefer eastern art to western but still they could have done better. The art and graphics (from what I saw) in the Japanese version, Nier Replicant, are far superior and frankly beautiful. Why did they even make a localized version? I don't understand why all the fanboys complain about the look of jrpg characters so much. Yes, they have more intricate designs and more asian looking faces and physics, but what's wrong with that? I'm sick of the idea that western games must have implausibly musculatured men for heros and giant breasted, big assed women for heroines. The hero for Nier is ugly and almost inhuman looking. It makes you relate to the character a lot less because you're not gonna find many people who look like that in real life. Bottom line is I will not buy Nier. But if they release an english version of Nier Replicant I'd buy it. Hell I don't even need english dubbing, just throw on some english subtitles and it's perfect for me :cheer:
  • CageAquarium  - Old Nier vs Young Nier
    [quote=Ko-tan]I'm sick of the idea that western games must have implausibly musculatured men for heros and giant breasted, big assed women for heroines.[/quote]

    I am sick of the idea that eastern games must have androgynous men who look like women, wielding comically over sized swords for heroes and little girls dressed in extremely inappropriate, overly sexualized outfits for heroines.

    Honestly, I guess it must sell well in Japan, but the androgynous male characters have always struck me as extremely bland and lazy, to be quite frank. Of course you find the art style beautiful - it is easy to be beautiful when your game is devoid of men who bear any masculine traits at all. Femininity is inherently more beautiful than masculinity and filling a game with nothing but is an easy and lazy way to sell your title, pure and simple.

    And, to be honest, the original storyline sounds like a rip on Drakangaard and a million other Japanese games. Femmy main guy saves his hot, underage looking sister/girlfriend/cousin. Only seen that a million times. As far as dad and daughter? I can remember Silent Hill off the top of my head and that took place in America. Considering the lack of positive paternal anything in Japanese games combined with the existence of movies like Battle Royale and I am beginning to think that an alarming number of Japanese people hate their children.

    Okay, in all seriousness, it is a smart move considering how much more popular characters like MGS Solid Snake are as compared to Raiden. They are trying to maximize profits. Can't fault em for that.
  • droppingpenny
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    Except ugly does not mean cool. :0
    Seriously, if the whole Art Style is eastern, and only the main character looks western he stands out, in a very negative way, for the sake of consistency they had to alter the complete art style, or nothing, instead of this half assed localization.

    The US Gamers didn't like Raiden, because Kojima tricked them in believing, that solid snake is the main Character in MGS 2. Of course the other fact is, that an american gamer prefers an ugly looking unshaven character to a good looking young man (snake is NOT ugly btw.), because otherwise he fears to be called gaaaaaaaaaaaay...
  • CageAquarium
    That was kind of my point. Whether you like it or hate it, the US was settled by cowboys and that love of gruff, unshaven, "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" looking guys is what our culture tends to admire in men. And it isn't like an American team came in and localized it - from what I have read this is all original stuff that the original team worked hard on. Old Neier doesn't look out of place at all, really, and the father daughter relationship strikes me as superior in terms of believability. I can totally buy a troubled father tearing the world a new asshole for his little girl, much more so than some gender confused looking twinky going through the same for his hot sister (whom I suspect he probably craves romantically, knowing Japan).

    Also, Raiden's suit comes equipped with f**k me heels in MGS 4. Just sayin'
  • droppingpenny
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    I don't get you, why are you thinking that a love of a brother for a sister can't be as good as the love of a father and a daughter? Maybe you never had siblings. Why do you think, they should always have a romantic relationship? Because the game is from Japan? You are really racist aren't you? And because you andmire an unshaven, unwashen, ugly looking bum as a hero, doesn't mean the whole America does or the other countries!

    I know that the original Team made this design decision, but again the Art Style of the older Nier is too different from the rest of the characters to blend in, they could at least design him in the same style as the other characters, or at least make him look normal!


    What you didn't mention about Raiden, is a deeper Characterization than Snakes, and the the Heels aside, he is a Badass Cyborg Ninja in MGS4. His pure and innocent look in MGS2 makes a nice contrast to his actual backstory.

    P.S.
    Btw. the U.S. wasn't settled by cowboys (in your dreams maybe) it was settled by religiously persecuted people from England, France, Germany, Italia, Spain and other european countries. Learn the history of your country before you write this kind of nonsense.
  • Asuka Soryu
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    I'm tired of people bitching about how the damn characters don't look the way you want. You don't like it, then shut up and back away from the game and move on.


    Yeah, it's lazy to follow a set in art style for your cultural style. Masculinity isn't that hard to draw, it's pretty damn easy.
  • Jope-san
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    How you could not mention that Kaine was a hermaphrodite? D:
  • AirforceOne
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    Ah good non biased review as always, always sticking to the main parts of what is a good review. I might check it out but I just don't know. It sounds alright at first but some parts is making me go "Naw not worth it"
  • Shinigami
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    Square-Enix had to go with that localization crap that belongs to the past. Why did they do something stupid like that. Without localization this might be rather good game.
  • bkimes
    They didn't drastically change anything for localization, there were two versions of Nier in Japan, Gestalt and Replicant, and we just got the former which features the old and gruff version of the protagonist.
  • AlucardsQuest  - re:
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    [quote=Jope-san]How you could not mention that Kaine was a hermaphrodite? D:[/quote]

    Hooray for Futanari!!!
  • jjflash
    I personally prefer the gruffer, older Nier. So I don't see why people would get their panties in a bunch over it...
  • FSS  - re: Old Nier vs Young Nier
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    [quote=CageAquarium]I am sick of the idea that eastern games must have androgynous men who look like women, wielding comically over sized swords for heroes and little girls dressed in extremely inappropriate, overly sexualized outfits for heroines.[/quote]

    lol'd
  • secretfury
    Nier is Dutch for kidney...
  • 9_6
    Thanks for summing up final fantasy 13.

    I mean Nier.
  • Gozar
    This is my review of this review...

    "ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz....*s nore*...zzzzzzz......*far t*.....zzzzzzzzzzzz"
  • SleetWintergreen
    I think I might have to give this a try, looks kind of like a spiritual successor to Drakengard.

    But will it reach the same levels of fucked-up-itude as it's predecessor?
  • SleetWintergreen
    Okay whoa, it actually does take place in the same universe as Drakengard?

    Definitely getting it now.
  • Shintai
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    Hmm, another review I saw praised the story and said it was one of the high points of the game. Still another mostly positive review makes me want to get this game even more.
  • ushbag  - umm...
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    you know you have to beat the game 3 times to get the full story, don't you?! at least according to some other reviews i've read.
  • TheXell  - re: umm...
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    [quote=ushbag]you know you have to beat the game 3 times to get the full story, don't you?! at least according to some other reviews i've read.[/quote]

    Oh god, its FFX-2 all over again.

    I wasnt too enthusiastic about this title. But even though Bennett went easy on its flaws, all my interest is now gone.

    Sub par graphics, things changed in localization, flawed controls AND a weak ending?

    Sorry, but if a current gen Action RPG is supposed to pique my interest, it should AT LEAST measure up to PS2-standards. DMC 3 left me with a high treshold in that regard.

    You know its a bad sign when people say stuff like..."but the Soundtrack is great!"
    FF XIII anyone?
  • thatkidontheweb
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    I heard that people actually had to play through the game several times to get the whole story.
  • LimeGreenSquid
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    So, it's on the Wii? What system is it for?
  • Jaebird
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    Seems interesting enough. I'll have to check it out as a rental.
  • Hal
    The most important observational mistake made about this game is that the "old" Nier is the [i]original[/i] character. The main character change is a JP PS3 exclusive, made into the typical effeminate youth to cater towards the larger female player base of RPGs in Japan.

    The west has not gotten any kind of "localization" to its main character. The game was aesthetically altered to fit Japan's taste, not the other way around.
  • Teacup  - re:
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    [quote=Ko-tan]I'm sick of the idea that western games must have implausibly musculatured men for heros and giant breasted, big assed women for heroines.[/quote]

    I'm sorry, but you must not play a lot of "eastern" games if you think that muscled men and giant breasted, overly sexualized women aren't common over there. It's all over the place--anime, games, advertisements, novelty toys, and pornography.

    In closing:

    Shut up.
  • mrskippy
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    I, personally, am sick of hearing "It's the journey, not the destination." Of course it's the destination, otherwise anything that happened during the journey is POINTLESS! (from a storytelling perspective, anyway) I mean, within a story, most journeys are supposed to symbolize the evolution of the character(s) on the journey, not just be a reason for things to happen. Therefore, the destination of the journey is of PARAMOUNT importance (lol, almost wrote "impotance") to the character, as it is the culmination of his or her (or their) development! What would have happened to [u]Heart of Darkness[/u] if all of the rumors about Kurtz just turned out to be exaggeration, he and Marlow finished the novella with a nice cup of tea, and Marlow just returned to England? Here's a hint: the damn thing would have SUCKED!! The fact that Marlow's journey ended with a confrontation between Kurtz and himself was what the story needed to send the message it was trying to send. If videogames want to be taken seriously as art, then they need to do more than just work on graphics, they need to work on storytelling as well. I know that there are great stories out there (Mass Effect, System Shock 2, just to name two) but seriously, there are way too many games that just slap a story on to a bit of graphics and gameplay. And yes, I do realize that I just criticized games for focusing more on gameplay than story, but really, I don't think that an art form should have to compromise quality in every area. For example, take the original Star Wars and compare it to Avatar. Both of them were groundbreaking technological feats, but Avatar just turned out to be a mediocre (at best) movie, while Star Wars is freaking EPIC, even so long afterwords. Why? Star Wars had a good, original plot. Avatar had a rehash of an already overdone plot, but IN SPACE! See what I mean, now? I know, some games have to be the summer blockbusters like (god of your choice help us) Transformers, but that doesn't mean that they get a free pass, especially when the entire medium hasn't been accepted as art yet (like movies have).
    Damn, that was really long...
    that's what she said.
  • Ko-tan  - re: Old Nier vs Young Nier
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    [quote][/quote] [quote=CageAquarium] [quote=Ko-tan]I'm sick of the idea that western games must have implausibly musculatured men for heros and giant breasted, big assed women for heroines.[/quote]

    I am sick of the idea that eastern games must have androgynous men who look like women, wielding comically over sized swords for heroes and little girls dressed in extremely inappropriate, overly sexualized outfits for heroines.

    Honestly, I guess it must sell well in Japan, but the androgynous male characters have always struck me as extremely bland and lazy, to be quite frank. Of course you find the art style beautiful - it is easy to be beautiful when your game is devoid of men who bear any masculine traits at all. Femininity is inherently more beautiful than masculinity and filling a game with nothing but is an easy and lazy way to sell your title, pure and simple.

    And, to be honest, the original storyline sounds like a rip on Drakangaard and a million other Japanese games. Femmy main guy saves his hot, underage looking sister/girlfriend/cousin. Only seen that a million times. As far as dad and daughter? I can remember Silent Hill off the top of my head and that took place in America. Considering the lack of positive paternal anything in Japanese games combined with the existence of movies like Battle Royale and I am beginning to think that an alarming number of Japanese people hate their children.

    Okay, in all seriousness, it is a smart move considering how much more popular characters like MGS Solid Snake are as compared to Raiden. They are trying to maximize profits. Can't fault em for that.[/quote]

    I see your point about the story, but that's not really what I'm driving at. The changes, while I dislike them, don't bother so much as the fact that that changed them in the first place. Why do they have to localized it in the first place? Other then the obvious profit motive, it's not like the original Japanese version would do so poorly here. Why not release both the localization and the original in the states? I don't think it'd cost so much more. If it was absolutely impossible to release both versions, why not make the localization changes less jarring? Would it have killed them to make the dad normal looking? I mean he doesn't have to be scrawny, but I think it'd draw a lot less complaints if he looked more normal.

    As for your complaints about androgynous looking men, designs for character, ect. that's all personal opinion. Personally I don't think they look so androgynous, I happen to like a lot of jrpg designs I think it's creative. Sure there's exaggerated weaponry, but it's a video game, it doesn't have to be realistic unless it claims to be. If you don't like these type of games, just don't buy them.

    As to the comments about Japanese parents hating their children... :0 I think that's a gross over generalization. You shouldn't judge a country base...
  • CageAquarium
    In all honesty, the world is in a recession now and companies are taking incredible strides to maximize profits. I probably talked way too much to express the simple view of "I don't fault them for being careful".

    And, let's be honest, the localization looks pretty good. Remember Narc from the arcades back in the 80's/90's as compared to the NES localization?

    If you are too young to remember, basically, I can sum it up in one sentence: you play law enforcement officials who went from fighting Crack dealers in the arcade to fighting Kwak dealers on the NES. Now [i]that[/i] is a valid reason to hate localized changes. It insulted the intelligence and destroyed the whole plot of the game right from the start. At least here you can tell they worked on it and put forth some effort. If they had just stuck a beard to him and shipped it I would be right with you but this is almost a whole different game. Definitely worthy of a chance, I think.

    As far as Japanese hating their kids? That was a joke.
  • Ko-tan  - re: re:
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    [quote=Teacup][quote=Ko- tan]I'm sick of the idea that western games must have implausibly musculatured men for heros and giant breasted, big assed women for heroines.[/quote]

    I'm sorry, but you must not play a lot of "eastern" games if you think that muscled men and giant breasted, overly sexualized women aren't common over there. It's all over the place--anime, games, advertisements, novelty toys, and pornography.

    In closing:

    Shut up.[/quote]

    I'm aware of this, all countries have some sort of exaggerated sexual perception of people. I'm just saying the western market for gaming seems to favor "manly men" that seem quite distorted compared the normal person and women with the pornstar look. Of course not all games, but there's quite a few. Of course I know Japan sexualizes things too, my point was I don't like changing media to suit a percentage of a different audience's tastes. Oh that's quite rude of you to tell me to shut up, I'm entitled to my opinion too. I knew it wouldn't be a popular opinion, but I have a right to share it.
  • MSH-Hitman
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    I'm currently about 14 hours in right now, but that's with alot of sidequest stuff, so I'm sure I have abit longer to go.

    I actually agree with most of this review. Me and Sage don't always see eye to eye, but this is definitely a solid game, with some points lost for a story that...while you have one, it's spread so thin, you barely get any information or significant plot points, except for times when they dump the story on ya by the truckload.

    And while I disagree about the graphics going "PS2", it certainly could be better to smooth things out.

    With it's faults, I'd recommend this game. I'm actually enjoying it more than the few hours put into Final Fantasy XIII which had me bored and hating characters and it was only the start of the game.
  • Classy Snake
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    I think I will pass on this one. Just not my cup of tea.
  • bkimes
    [quote]I see your point about the story, but that's not really what I'm driving at. The changes, while I dislike them, don't bother so much as the fact that that changed them in the first place[/quote]

    Once again. They [i]didn't[/i] change anything. This is how Nier looks in the original as well, this is an English version of Gestalt, not Replicant.
  • JohniBoi
    Thank you. I was thinking of buying this, but after this reveiw I knew right away "not for me."
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