OK, I'll see it. But the title is putting me off. Let's see what you have to say, and that it may not be dismisiable with "Real Women don't wear dresses", as far to many comments about this game can be. Please don't thumb down until I argue a little bit more (or at least read [url=http:// www.destructoid.com/ blogs/kurokotetsu/other- m-a-view-on-samus- character-183700.phtml] here[/url] about some, it not all of my thoughts).

First, Varia. It is stupid, yes, but it is also "stupid" that you lose all your previous progression just at the begining of each game. For example, at the start of prime, you have a suit that can't wihtstand gravitational changes and unbearable pressures, but can't handle an explosion? And if you use super bombs, stupidly powerful explosions where you are at the center, and don't flinch about it, not even a scratch? It is stupid, it is just a deviece so the game has a steady progression of abilities, as every other Metroid before it. Also, the "Big Man" is holding into every one, as the same can be said about using the freezing guns for the entire team, there is no reason not to use a better power that doesn't endangere the mission, but they still do.

Action: yes, it is moer action oriented than previous Metroids. But if you like it or no, that is very subjective. I felt it worked fine. A different approach, taking the qualities of Team ninja, that does good action games. Linearity in Othe M was disapointing, but well, live and learn.

Atmosphere. Another subjective topic. While it isn't as atmosphereic as the greatest examples in the series, the non cutscene (and non guided) parts you feel pretty isoleted and surrended by threats. And the comment of JO, about the colour palette, seems pretty obvious that she is more familiar with Prime, as Super Metroid has a very vivid colours (you are walking in a nearly-glowing purple suit). And the "bouncy", another difference between the 2D and the 3D, in 2D you were always "bouncy", as it more of a platformer.

Saving points. An interestin complaint, but that has a another side. The saving rooms completly resotre you health, and there was usually one pretty close to most encounters. With the new system, you have to fight the boss with the health that you arrived in the first time, every single time, until you give up and go to a save room, trying to reach the battle in better codnitions; or win. So, the idea still works, as there is a risk/reward system, against the traditional aproach. It isn't bad or anything, it just another way to do things.

Also, what part of it looks unpolished? The dodge system works perfectly and the transitions form third to first person views are pretty smooth (I personally never had any problems with any of the controls, never understood the complains, apart form the d-pad, which I unerstand but don't share). The game works perfectly and, besiddes the afore...

Just a heads up: I'm not exactly "shitting on" Metroid Other M, I just popped in to chat. ^^; I don't know enough about the game or gaming to hate it one way or another. Sorry about that. ^_^

Your comment about the horseshoe crab throwing its children at Samus was hilarious.

Coincidentally, you recently fought Queen Ghoma in your [i]Ocarina of Time[/i] Let's Play. And she threw babies at you too!

=D

Yeah, I played so many games where that happened, and that never registered to me until she mentioned it.

I noticed, but if this is a heads up for other viewers, yes, the hacking is odne by Ben and some by Sean. But it was nice that you popped in, the babies commentary was probaly the best rant in the whole video.

It deserves to be shat on. After this thing, Samus and I have broken up.

I feel it's something like suspension of disbelief (I feel there's a better term, but it fails me at the moment). Having Samus get zapped, like in the first Prime game, and thereby lose her powers, is kind of dumb, but I can buy it and move on. It's more difficult to buy that Adam would demand that Samus deactivate defense systems in her suit, even more so that he would wait until she faces the lava stage's boss to say she could use it, and most difficult of all that Samus would willingly take damage she could avoid because she didn't receive permission yet.

Yes, I'd be more willing to believe a suit malfunction and then finding it again from the people that designed it in the first place than the half-witted human idiocy that Ninja contrived to stick in here to accomplish the same task.

At least in those situations, you don't have the abilities at all. Knowing that you have something that can protect you, but not having access to it because you need someone to give you permission, adds a layer of frustration. I would also daresay that it also adds to the characterization issues people have with Samus. Why does she seem to lack the common sense to activate a defense mechanism based on her need to survive rather than permission. The fact that she can take it for the time until she can use the suit does not wash. The Metroid series has trained players that if you take damage in an area, you need to find something that protects you. I avoided that level based on that experience until I realized there was no other way.

In the words of a famous man, I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

I read your blog, and after the research I have done to try and decipher what I feel is a mess up of a character, I must disagree with you.

First of all, I have no problem with placing emotion in a character. Emotion is good, and the conveyance of this emotion and the actions a character takes are the key points to character growth. This is all good.

However, what is NOT good is when you effectivedly push previous events, all of which are acknowledged in the games established timeline, and shove them under the rug.

Let me elaborate. In the chronology as established by Nintendo, The games follow as Metroid/Metroid Zero Mission, Metroid Prime 1, 2, and 3, Metroid II: The Return of Samus, Super Metroid, and then Metroid Other M. That makes about five or six games before this one on the timeline. In each of the Metroid Prime Games she fights Ridley, as well as in the original Metroid and Super Metroid. In a few of these she decisively kills him a la massive explosion. But that isn't the point.

The point is that she has fought this enemy multiple times. That being said, it does not make logical sense to me that she would choose to have a full blown panic attack in this one situation. I know that an emotional scene like that is a powerful tool, but it does not belong this late in the series chronology. If you are going to do something of that scale, it has to be at the very beginning, before Samus has conquered Ridley multiple times and when she is still green. At this point we already know that she is a skilled warrior who has undergone many harrowing encounters. It simply makes no logical sense for the character.

Now I'm not saying that Samus should be unfeeling or brutish. But it feels like Team Ninja treats her more as a woman than as a character. There are several scenes in this game that I know for a fact they would have done differently if the lead was a male.

Here's an example. Partway through the game Samus sees her allies being attacked by a group of monsters through a window atop a tower. I fully expected her to leap through the window and dive down to join the fight, raining plasma death on her foes in epic fashion. After all, it would be the quickest way to help her friends, and Samus does not take falling damage. Instead? She takes the stairs. I should not even need to say any more than that.

Another example: In the start of Ridley, right during the panic attack cutscene, Samus Aran needs to be saved. And not just saved by anyone. No, she needs to be saved by the big tough black man with his mighty phallus gun.

Why does the character need to be saved? Why can't Samus save herself, a physical and metaphorical victory over her deeply held fears?

I recognize that you like the game. I read your bl...

By all menas, disagree. I respect the dialectic method very much, or in other words i like a good argument.

First, "killed" Ridley. Official website and pirate log of Meta Ridley in Prime, the first tiem seen since his original demise in a bang, (respectively) "After being defeated by bounty hunter Samus Aran" and "The reconstruction of geoform 187, code-named Ridley, was recently completed. After his defeat on Zebes [...]". That is canon, official word from the devs. He wasn't killed. That is also confimred by the dialogue in Other M states that he is dead prior to the start of the game. Thus, the arguemnt stands. In all previous ocasions we was only defeated (even with the explosions, some probably because of hardware limitations more than story), but in Super, he was stated as dead (you even see the infant form in Other M). So my point in the blog is that she is unprepared (at least) for facing such a traumatic apperance, unlike previous events. Also, it was four fights, in Zero Mission is a robot and in Echoes they don't battle.

Also, you use a strange word for the argument being done. If I may quote "it does not make logical sense to me". Emotins are not logical. Acording to experts and victims, PTSD (another possible explanation) is strangely selective, not triggering always under the same stimuli. That means it may be the first or the tenth time that starts it. There is also my original point, let me do a little analogy/thought experiment. You have a gun and open a door how to you react if a)a tiger comes out sudenly b)the same tiger comes out but you know he was behind it. The reaction probably isn't the same (in one you jump surprised in other you shoot first). Samus couldn't know that Ridley was waiting, therefore her reaction would be different than in previous installments, were she knew that she was fighting pirates and he is a general of said group. Even if conquered before, the mental attitude is different and the reaction would be different. This isn't logic, this is emotion.

Team Ninja, also, didn't write the story. Sakamoto, one of the original creators of the character, was the one that wrote it. And yes, she is a woman, and that is part of her character. She was the only woman on the team and was singled out because of that. That defined her. Sex is part of the character, not all. Some things (although I would like to ask which, after I disect your examples) may been different. But if it was male and ahd the same story, would you react the same? I think I would.

the window. In game you see several windows. None are breakable, why would this one be any different? Her shots, bombs, accel boosts, don't scratch other windows (at most wave/plasma goes through, but it would be likely to hit allies as enemies from that distance), why can she jump through in this specific instance? That would be even more gameplay/story disonance, and uneeded given ...

At the risk of becoming involved in an argument I really don't care that much about, I would like to point out that "more human" doesn't necessarily mean "more likable human". I'm sure that all of us know our fair share of real live humans we don't like at all, and I know there are more than a few extremely well characterized fictional people who aren't well liked, and may be meant to be that way.

Samus seems to have taken an unfortunate turn towards the unlikable. At least for many people.

Withour arguing much i would ask? Why is she unlikable in Other M? To me it seems more like a disonance between the players perceptions and the character presented, not the character itself.

... Because it's rather unlikable to see one of the first heroines in nintendo that has be a quiet, vicious bounty hunter pissing her panties in fear.

Even in games that showed her before her military days, she's been a an active, brave female, now she's having damsel in distress moments. Even in Fusion, she has a dense of duty and strength, Zero mission, her suit got straight fucked, so what does she do? Take out her standard issue tazer and sneaks into space pirate ship, and Zero mission is supposed to be HER FIRST MISSION.

[color=blue]Slowbeef and Diabeetus, the guys who made "Retsupurae" are doing a Let's Play of Metroid Prime: Corruption.

[url]http:// slowbeef.blip.tv/file/ 4154088/[/url]

Slowbeef mentioned [i]Other M[/i].

His determination?[/color]

[color=red]"It's almost like they tried to make each cut-scene worse than the one before it...and Sakamoto cried! Seriously...nothing is worse than [i]Other M[/i]! I don't care if it derails my whole thread--I will [i]ban you[/i] if you found [i]anything[/i] good about that game!"[/color]

[color=blue]Benzaie, I don't normally enjoy your videos, but knowing what side you're on on this playing field has really increased your appeal to me. Five stars![/color]

I love Slowbeef and Diabeetus. Always love when Slowbeef throws around the threat of banning too since it is usually in a funny way.

My biggest problem with the game was the exclusion of a joystick as oppose to using the D-pad. My thumb was so sore from using the damn D-pad after so many hours of playing.

Seriously? A 3D game played with only the d-pad? That doesn't even make sense.

I am happy to have seen this stream live. It was a ton of fun imagining all of the facepalms that must have been going on during the conversation between Benzaie, Sean, and Jesu. :-D

I'm staying out of this one. Last time I watched a video bashing Other M, I damn well exploded.

But I am REALLY sick of people bitching about this game when 85% of the most common complaints are either ridiculously exaggerated to fanboyish degrees or just nonexistent in general.

I feel your pain, my friend.

True, true. I feel that some of the complaints are a little off-based and are out of proportion for the sake of being entertaining. That's all well and good for a critique.
I really think that this game was enjoyable overall. Yes, there are some flaws, but even Metroid Prime had it's flaws, yet it's seen as one of the best games in the series. There's going to be some issues or complaints when you start something new, so you listen to them, take the advice and use it to see if you can form something better.

Yeah, I had to leave out of that stream. I was starting to get pissed.

One more note: Benzai knows French! I was getting worried there for a second. =D

Man, I had such high hopes for this game, but it really seems to be a huge step back after the Metroid Prime trilogy.

i kind of agree i dont really see the big deal

so what if Samus now has character development does it really matter?

i agree Falcovsleon20

alot of complaints i see seem to be overly pointless i mean granted Samus is and has been a little bland. doesnt hurt to have some character development

So, I'm guessing Ben hated Other M about as much as Noah?

Hope, Sean, and Ben - a trio I never would have expected to see; well, hear, anyway.

I'm gonna try and mostly stay out of the Other M feuds that have been going on, but this video did make me think of a journal I once read on DA. I remember a sentence from a response I received after I posted a comment, and it's one I believe I can agree with:
"Basically, Samus has just become the latest victim of the Nostalgia Factor, the same nefarious plague that has made life hell for Sonic the Hedgehog these days."

I am also reminded of the Nerf NOW!! web-comic by Jo Pereira, and his feelings towards Other M:
"Depsite some fans getting horrified by fragile and submissive Samus, the target public, many who never played a Metroid game before, enjoyed it. Or at least bought it which, for now, it's what matters.

To people used to old Metroid games it may sound like an heresy, but game companies care more about staying green. The game sold wonderfully and I fully expect a sequel now.

I don't know why they suppose the new chatty Samus was worth a try, but they surely didn't made it to piss off people. I don't doubt, however, they think a cold character isn't as profitable.

In the end, the ones who are crying the loudest are probably the ones who had it pre-ordered, and this one is hard to make happy, but quick to buy it anyway, so it's easy for a company to focus on the new blood.

For me, Samus before wasn't exactly the more involving of the characters. You could make a Metroid game with another Bounty Hunter and, until the unmasking in the end, no one would notice. I think this speaks how important the person inside the armor used to be.

At least now she has some kinda of personality, even if it isn't my favorite one."

To this day, both comments make me think back to what Mark Ecko said about gamers being "pissy", and I still believe that comment stands true, as much as some of us don't want it to be.

Ah, like the Wii was to the hardcore old school gamers.

[quote=Camseyeview]i kind of agree i dont really see the big deal

so what if Samus now has character development does it really matter?[/quote]

Here's the problem. It's not development. It's a step back. She went from a badass who kicks Ridley from one end of the room to the other, to a scared little girl whose only thought is to please the man in her life. Also, Ridley now apparently scares the hell out of her for some reason. Even though she's already beaten him like four times.

Not only that, but half of her monologues aren't even necessary. She just describes what she (and more importantly, what the player) sees.

Although I've discussed it before, I will try to argue that point. In all pevious adventures, she didn't think Ridlye died. She knew he was just beaten and would return. One thing is to face the murderer of your parents (yes that is the reason of the little girl, she remembered her experience when that monster slaughtered her family in front of her) knowing that he is alive, and a completely different thing to face him when you're sure he is dead. (Without counting teh PTSD argument, which at least has a specialist and a victim saying that what she suffers seems to mimic it pretty well).

Also, I like that she isn't a "badass". There are a lot of those in the industry (and cinema), I lke her being a character.

Yes, a character. ...A character who is apparently always scarred, always unsure of herself, eager to please this guy, being a scarred little puppy, and yet for some reason choosing "bounty hunter who kills space pirates" as her main career choice.

Being afraid doesn't make her a better character. It makes her a shittier bounty hunter. She has way more experience than any of those space marines she's with, and yet they're the strong ones who help her cope with combat. She's kicked Ridley's ass so much her boot print is permenently embedded in his backside, and yet for some reason she's PETRIFIED when she sees him.

There's shock, and then there's bullshit.

Because she shouldn't need all of this coping. I haven't read Apocalypse now, or seen it, but I can still confidently say this is bullshit.

The point is she's afraid for no reason. I'd by fine with her showing fear, but she behaves like a rookie. She practically has a mental breakdown, and its up to the big strong men to help her out.

And quite frankly I don't care if Adam does have more experience than her. that doesn't mean her brain shuts off when she talks to him. What they should've done is build up her admiration for him in more of a mentor-mentee way. Have then speak to eachother on roughly equal levels, while still maintaining the atmosphere that Adam is older and more experienced. Sort of like two war buddies. Instead she's totally submissive. He says something, no matter how stupid it is, and she does it.

They play up her vulnerability, even though she has NEVER been this vulnerable before. SHe monologues about absolutely everything, even when its unnecessary. Most other games have a "yes, Samus has a vagina, deal with it" tone. This game won't stop shoving the fact that she's a woman in her face. She's always talking, always worrying, always going on and on about her fear and inexperience and terror, and how unsure she is of herself. God I just want this annoying, whiny bitch to shut up!

This MAY have worked as a prequel; maybe as her first or second mission. But this is one of her latest missions.

The one woman character in video games not sexualized or made into a whiny little bitch. I'm SOOOO glad they fixed it for us. The one thing I thought was missing from Metroid was making it more like a f***ing Final Fantasy game.

Yes, fear can be sued in masterpeices IF IT FITS. It doesn't fit here.

If Samus was gonna suffer PTSD, she would've done it LONG AGO. This is like if someone has Superman going through a mental breakdown after he sees Doomsday kill a child. If it was gonna happen, it would've happened already, or we would see signs of it. Here its ttally out of the blue and completely unfitting with the character.

Ah, so she sees him as a father figure. At what point does that make her brain turn off and venture into a lava pitt without wearing the right armor? And why is Adam so hateful against Samus? He doesn't want her to die, but he certainly seems dead-set on making it a close call. He's just abusive, and Samus is taking every bit of it.

They COULD have built up a proper father relationship, given the potential from the source material, but they fucked it up BIG.

Yes, she monologues for the audience. She monologues EVERYTHING for the audience. Things we can SEE and things that anyone with two brain cells can figure out. Its as if she doesn't think events happen until she gives a 3 paragraph speech about it.

She's OVERLY vulnerable.

No. Its not sexism. If a man was this whiny, I'd buy it if he was a rookie, or had gone through something like he's never gone through before. However, if they had two decades of source material of showing him acting COMPLEELY different, I'd call it bullshit and a pussification. For example, the Wolverine movie did a similar thing. He got airsick, disliked unnecessary violence, and made him a softy. I fucking hated that. It just made him more boring. And it would've worked if we saw him develop into who we know today, but they NEVER DID.
But hey, at least that was a prequel. It at least makes some sense. this doesn't.

Yes, she's the toughest, most experiences one around. And she's willing to completely ignore her better judgement, go in unequipt, totally submit to Adam and do whatever he says, no matter how stupid, and she also handles the violence emotionally far worse than any of the grunts around her. THAT IS BULLSHIT.

How the hell can you call her independant? Look at what she does for Adam! If anyone you knew behaved in such a bitchy way, you'd call them weak and begging for compliments; always eager to please.

I think the problem might be the manga.

When you interject a back-story from something out there, there's gone to be flaws... plot-holes.

Not to get in any sort of argument (and I'll agree that the Ridley scene was rather over-dramatic), but to not exactly quote the Game OverThinker (more like butcher): since when did "strong, independent woman" become "cold-blooded, psychotic misandrist"?

seriously, what the fuck is wrong with people? gamers of today are NEVER happy, are they? let's take sonic for example. people have been bitching for years that the game play of Sonic sucks. and Zelda. people have been bitching that Zelda is too easy now. and here we have a game with a not-so-excellent story, yet some of the most challenging, pretty good put together gameplay I've had in a while. and you STILL aren't happy? what the hell do you want!? This is NINTENDO we're talking about. since when has Nintendo been known for their excellent story telling?


I thought the gameplay was challenging, smooth and well managed. and the story was weak yeah, but it's a lot better than any story of any mainstream Mario.

[quote=Lotus Prince]

Here's the problem. It's not development. It's a step back. She went from a badass who kicks Ridley from one end of the room to the other, to a scared little girl whose only thought is to please the man in her life. Also, Ridley now apparently scares the hell out of her for some reason. Even though she's already beaten him like four times.
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And that really makes no sense considering that in the Metroid timeline, this is one of the latest adventures. I could understand her hesitation and uncertainty if this was set in an earlier time, but not after Samus has done this for years.

[quote]Here's the problem. It's not development. It's a step back. She went from a badass who kicks Ridley from one end of the room to the other, to a scared little girl whose only thought is to please the man in her life. Also, Ridley now apparently scares the hell out of her for some reason. Even though she's already beaten him like four times.[/quote]

The Ridley thing, yes. But that's really the only thing that's right about that statement. When is it ever implied that she's all about pleasing Adam? If you'd play Metroid Fusion you'd know that Adam Malcovich was the closest thing Samus had to a father and that's basically what this so called "relationship" BS is about.

Yeah, he's a father figure. But here she's practically her slave. She's got a ton of experience! Why should she wait for this douche to tell her to use her equipment?

"Hi, Adam, I'm about to entire an environment that's REALLY dangerous without the right armor... armor which I have. Do I have authorization to use it?"

"...No, Samus."

"*sigh* Okay, you're the boss, Adam. I'd do whatever you say."

*Samus then almost dies and has half her ass burned off*

In the game, it is explained that she believed she had lost his respect when she defected from the Marines because of what Adam did to his brother. (Won't explain that any further for those that haven't played it yet.) She waits for him out of RESPECT for him and their past relationship. If she sees him as the father she never had, then she--like any child--would do what he asks/orders her to do. Besides, she knew that they needed her help, and willingly powered herself down. She made that conscious decision for the sake of renewing a relationship with an "estranged father-figure". It has a hint of contrivance but it makes sense.

No. She. Wouldn't. She respects him, but she's also an experienced Bounty hunter. She knows what to do. If she NEEDS to use some equiptment, she'll use it. She may resist with some of it, but she's not gonna say "yes, I won't use the good armor until you tell me".

And quite frankly, examine this from the other perspective. WHY IS ADAM DOING THIS? This is someone he respects and has a history with. He needs her help. She's experienced, intelligent and an excellent soldier. Why the hell is he purposely making it so hard for her? It comes off that he HATES Samus because he almost gets her killed and wants to establish that he's dominant and she's his bitch who has to do whatever he says. It just makes the mission harder.

So Samus becomes someone fishing for a compliment and submissive to this Adam guy, and Adam becomes an abusive prick who purposely endangers her life for no reason other than the fact that he's a prick who likes watching her twist in the wind.

[quote=Falcovsleon20] [quote]Here's the problem. It's not development. It's a step back. She went from a badass who kicks Ridley from one end of the room to the other, to a scared little girl whose only thought is to please the man in her life. Also, Ridley now apparently scares the hell out of her for some reason. Even though she's already beaten him like four times.[/quote]

The Ridley thing, yes. But that's really the only thing that's right about that statement. When is it ever implied that she's all about pleasing Adam? If you'd play Metroid Fusion you'd know that Adam Malcovich was the closest thing Samus had to a father and that's basically what this so called "relationship" BS is about.[/quote]
Please rewatch the flash back cutscene where she blatantly says she is using him in place of a father, and the immediately after says she is all about respecting and pleasing him because, as she does in this game, she explains everything in annoying detail.

Fusion also handled it with a lot more respect and restraint than Other M ever did.

[quote=NCscritic] seriously, what the fuck is wrong with people? gamers of today are NEVER happy, are they? let's take sonic for example. people have been bitching for years that the game play of Sonic sucks. and Zelda. people have been bitching that Zelda is too easy now. and here we have a game with a not-so-excellent story, yet some of the most challenging, pretty good put together gameplay I've had in a while. and you STILL aren't happy? what the hell do you want!? This is NINTENDO we're talking about. since when has Nintendo been known for their excellent story telling?


I thought the gameplay was challenging, smooth and well managed. and the story was weak yeah, but it's a lot better than any story of any mainstream Mario.[/quote]
If you think Other M is challenging then you should go play some of Team Ninja's other stuff. Other M is fairly easy in comparison, with the difficulty mainly being controls.

the controls seemed fine to me. I didn't have any problem with the controls.

[color=green]Benzaie, you are my hero...I just want you to know that... even though I enjoyed the gameplay aspect It would of been easier to have a choice to use the classic controller and the ability to use missiles without the fps bullcrap and be able to move while using the missiles. now if you'll excuse me I'm going to play Metroid Prime, a much better metroid game.[/color]

Challenging games are great, Team ninja made the game franchise hard at last.

Not a worthy challenge? need your brain challenged? reflexes, dodging and utilizing the free time after your foes are open for attacks needs quick reflexes and wits :sigh:

to be honest the "skills" you talk about so much are an extent of your brains capacity to learn new things. ^_^

you arent that good of a player. i saw your demons souls review and ugh.. you play like a freaking kid on sugar rush, you dont take your time. your kind of players are the reason games like DS get a label of being hard... which they arent. :uhh:

And hey "Team ninja makes the game to hard" "i hate it when they made it easier and you can respawn right at the boss even if i die" =_= cant you even agree with yourself?

All I'm going to say about it is this, Why the hell would Nintendo give one of the greatest Heroines in Gaming history to TEAM NINJA?!? Seriously look at their track record they make good games, they play well and look fantastic. Look at Ninja Gaiden or the DoA series. However there is also a disturbing trend in those games. They objectify every women in every game they've ever made. So why in the world would you expect anything else this is the best example of Charlie Brown Syndrome I've ever heard. I have to agree with Spoony I'm not sure Samus will be able to survive this storyline unless they completely retcon this game.

Team Ninja did not write the story; they only worked on the gameplay and the graphics.

Which is still enough to feel their influence, for better or worse.

To people saying Samus never had a personality before Other M, that's entirely false. There are ways to convey a personality besides dialogue. It's called body language - the way people react to things, their mannerisms, their body motions, they all convey a personality. Samus wasn't depicted as a confident and cold woman in our minds alone, it was the way she acted that painted that image. Even her appearance in the Smash Brothers series showed an entirely different character than the one given to us in Other M.

However, from what I understand, the Metroid Prime series has been declared non-canon, and the Smash Brothers series has always been non-canon. These are the games where we really got to see how Samus acts; she was just a sprite before this, and the style of sprite they used for her wasn't able to show any kind of emotion. In essence, they've hit the reset button. The Samus from Other M and the Samus from Prime/Smashbrothers are two entirely different characters, and should be treated as such.

edit:

I did some digging around, and the quote from Sakamoto that caused some to think the Prime series was non-canon was misconstrued. However, he had no input on the Smash Brothers or Prime series, and he was the writer for Other M. Therefor, I still stand by my statement that we're dealing with two different characters here: the Samus who was created by people other than Sakamoto, and the Samus that Sakamoto has always envisioned all along.

Thank you, Benzaie. This is the longest video of gameplay footage I've seen for Other M, and it's helped me decide that I don't want to play this game at all, let alone purchase it. Clips I've seen before had me at least wanting to rent it, but seeing the lack of real engagement in combat here changed my mind.

The whole thing just looks so disconnected from the player to me.

[quote=Mythmaker]I do, however, own Halo Reach, and Sean (at least I think that's his name)[/quote]

You "think" that's his name? It says his name on the damn title card.

I hadn't refreshed the page when I was looking for his name, so I didn't see it.

*Sigh

Look, I am not a Metroid fan and have not played Other M yet. However, I have heard a lot of arguments both in favor and against Other M, enough for me to call it one of the most controversial Nintendo games yet (easily rivaling Wind Waker and Wii Music).

...But is there a need to keep bashing it? We know it sucks, we know it's disappointing and we know that a lot of people either love it or hate it. Do we need videos every week telling us how much it sucks?

No offense to those that hated the game. If you didn't like it, that's fine. With the game radically changing everything and being one of the most hyped Nintendo titles in a while (a big reveal in 2009 and a big marketing push) I can see how it's disappointing to the fanbase. But it's becoming rather childish to keep hearing over and over and over how much you hated it.

Once again, my apologies if this sounds offensive to anyone.

seriously, playing Metroid: Other M recently, it should have gotten much lower review scores. Yes the graphics are beautiful and shit, but the game play is JUST NOT THERE! It sucks ass, the story sucks ass, and with beautiful graphics, half-assed controls and a stupid story, what the hell exactly are you left with? James Cameron's AVATAR.

The gameplay is really subjective to opinion; some like it, some don't.

If it ain't broke... don't fix it! I thought it(meaning the game play) was perfect in Super Metroid, and hell, even in Metroid Prime(which I hated) the game play was great!!! But here... no. Short of absolute objectivity the game play here is broken and FUBAR.

I wasn't exactly fond of the excess back-tracking in Metroid (to me, the back-tracking got worse in Prime); I know the back-tracking is pretty much a staple in the Metroid games, but I would be appreciative if there was less of it. So, if there is one thing I believe should be fixed, it's the constant amount of back-tracking.

At the very least for you Metroid fans out there,Nintendo is demonstrating it gives a shit about one of the big three series and tries to do something very different.

Too bad Capcom is not treating Devil May Cry the same way. It's just as annoying to have to put up with the uninformed,easy to please, dummies who will accept Ninja Theory's fanfiction of DMC and self insert instead of the real Dante of the previous 4 games.

Samus still looks like Samus;Dante on the other hand.....

I wonder what would have happened if Team Ninja and Ninja Theory switched places :whisper:

To play the devils advocate, she isn't our character. She is Nintendo property and, as such, they can do with her what they wish. I am not saying you have to like it.

For example, I don't like that the Force is no longer the mystical, special spirit that lives in all things. The reaffirming assurance in Yoda's old teaching that "we are more than this crude matter" has given way to a fully explained natural phenomenon caused but midichlorians in the blood stream. But Star Wars isn't mine, it belongs to George Lucas.

This is getting ridiculous. THE GAME IS FINE, PEOPLE. I can deal with a wimpy, whiny Samus in the cutscenes if I get them sparsely mixed-in with the usual awesome silent version. So there, debate over.

"I like the game, so you do too"?

That's the dumbest statement I've ever read on here. I've disagreed with many people's opinions but I've never seen anyone have the arrogance to claim "debate over" just because they said so.

I never would've pegged Hope for a creationist/evolution- denier. That's just saddening...

I liked the game. Although in my review I probably should've mentioned that it is better as a rental, since it is so super short. I just got done playing the new Professor Layton game and got over 18 hours out of it, not including all the bonus puzzles. I realized it then that Metroid should've been longer. Still I had fun with it.
It's too bad the game doesn't let you skip the cutscenes, though. Those cutscenes add an hour or so onto the game time. I guess that means I only actively was playing the game for something around 3 hours. Craziness!

[quote=The Battousai]I never would've pegged Hope for a creationist/evolution- denier. That's just saddening...[/quote]

Uh I didn't hear that come up at all. I could be wrong but you may have misheard something. In any case, who cares? The video is about Other M.

Yeah I am curious as well. I didn't hear any talk about that subject.

As for the Evolution bit, I was skipping around through it again and I was wrong: it gets mentioned briefly at around the 35 to 40 minute area. Benzaie mentions a museum of Creationism in the States and she mentions something about seeing Evolution as not fully proven or something along those lines. I am still gonna stand by my "Who cares?" bit though. Nothing to get upset about. I work with a lady who thinks Tupac Shakur faked his own death and went into witness protection. Nothing to be sad or upset about.

I agree. This is a site that harbors a lot of individuals with different trains of thought and beliefs. Jewish, Christian, Agnostic, Atheist and many others. Of course people are going to disagree on these things, but people have the right to believe in any of those things and debate them as well. It may be shocking, but that's a fact. If Hope doesn't believe in evolution who are we to tell her otherwise?

It just kinda threw me for a loop. It really only bothers me because I know the science well, and I don't see how someone could say that there's a legitimate debate when you consider the evidence at hand. I know, REALLY off-topic. I do that sometimes ^^;

In regard to the game, though, it just doesn't feel like Metroid for the most part - I only really get the right feeling when you get into 1st-person mode, but that's tarnished by the lack of maneuverability. Also, the way they approached the powers seems both very forced and incredibly odd. It has an almost sexist undertone (no surprise, honestly, considering the DoA games) that really makes me wonder where they drew the character aspects Samus has in this game; I've never heard of her breaking down during a fight or denying herself abilities that she needs to overcome an obstacle because someone told her to. It's an insane departure from the previous games.

Once again, Team Ninja did NOT write the story; Team Ninja only developed the game, not the character.